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09-14-2015, 03:10 PM | #21 |
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IIRC, by the end Shiro pretty much gave up on the whole Rider War. Odin was designed to be so OP so that he could beat the remaining Rider and claim their life. However, Shiro ended up forfeiting, Odin was eliminated, and Ren was left.
I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I watched Ryuki. Also, TV-Nihon, so I'm sure the subs made things really confusing.
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09-14-2015, 04:56 PM | #22 |
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I could almost support a reading of the "reset" that suggests it isn't literally what happens, but rather, it's Ren's fantasy of what happens after he dies/makes his wish -- or even, perhaps, a vision of some sort of afterlife.
But if we're going the literal route, which I do find more convincing... I think the show painted the Rider War thing as a traumatic experience that broke everyone who participated. Like, pretty much the only development any of the "good" characters underwent was negative -- they struggled with succumbing to distrust, cynicism, and their baser natures. Freeing them of the curse of the Rider War allows their lives to revert to an undeniably better, more hopeful, and more virtuous status quo. A status quo they most certainly earned through seemingly endless physical and emotional torment... even if they don't remember it (although, the show seems to imply that they do remember their connections with each other, on some vague, instinctual/ephemeral, "why-do-I-feel-like-I-know-you?" sort of level). Without the supernatural interference from Mirror World and the ensuing Rider War, actual nature can resume its course. Kitaoka will die of cancer, sure, but at least he'll go with dignity rather than with wish-fueled desperation. Asakura will remain safely behind bars for his crimes -- instead of breaking out, killing more people, and then committing suicide by cop -- as it always should have been. Shinji can live his carefree and happy-go-lucky life, and Ren can be with his girlfriend. The reset world is how things should be (and, actually, I don't necessarily see it as a happy ending -- it's a very neutral ending, in that, life will still go on for all of them, for better and worse. I mean, characters we've grown to love are doomed to die, or never become friends. That doesn't feel entirely happy to me). I can see how one might think hitting the reset button invalidates the characters' experiences and makes the show a waste of time... but only if that person fails to understand the show's message. Namely, that The Rider War -- and war in general, probably -- is better off being deleted from the human experience, as it leads to nothing but irredeemable destruction and misery. The show wants to leave us with the notion that conflict for conflict's sake deserves to be erased from existence, and everyone is better off without it. Maybe it would have been more satisfying if the writers had left the specifics to our imaginations and just faded to black, instead of giving us the details of the reset world. Personally, I don't know how the show fully articulates its themes without showing how the characters' lives are inarguably better without the influence of The Rider War. Obviously, YMMV. |
09-15-2015, 03:02 AM | #23 |
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have you guys watching suzumiya haruhi episode of "endless eight.
Ordin is basically haruhi who wants to make sure that he got to save Yui by resetting the world if he failed. The series is good in a sense that Kanzaki and Yui finally reconcile and decided to end the rider war, and resetting the world once more to fix things up. |
09-25-2015, 02:57 PM | #24 |
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I can see how one might think hitting the reset button invalidates the characters' experiences and makes the show a waste of time... but only if that person fails to understand the show's message. Namely, that The Rider War -- and war in general, probably -- is better off being deleted from the human experience, as it leads to nothing but irredeemable destruction and misery. The show wants to leave us with the notion that conflict for conflict's sake deserves to be erased from existence, and everyone is better off without it. Maybe it would have been more satisfying if the writers had left the specifics to our imaginations and just faded to black, instead of giving us the details of the reset world. Personally, I don't know how the show fully articulates its themes without showing how the characters' lives are inarguably better without the influence of The Rider War. Obviously, YMMV.
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10-13-2015, 08:53 PM | #25 |
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It's basically Shiro & Yui who purge Mirror World from existence by going back in time to help their younger self’s overcome the depression. Which results in the disappearance of Mirror World form the time line, so yes: Nothing Rider-related ever happened.
Ren basically just fulfilled his wish to be reunited with Eri. And the Megumi thing.. well I just take it that some things are destined to happen. Like Megumi will still be fired by Kitaoka and end up at Ore Journal. I wouldn’t say all the development for the characters vanished... they just learned it another way. It wasn’t my ending of choice either. I thought the best way to handle this was that Ryuki won the war and his wish would've been to go back in time so he can rescue Shiro & Yui before their parents go completely crazy. He could also make subtle changes to the time line, like bring Kitaoka to a doctor so his sickness can be cured before it gets serious. But that's just me, I can live with the ending as is. There's an alternative ending also, maybe you should check that out. From what I remember, Yui convinced Shiro to end the war, thus enabling Ren to get the killing blow on Odin. Ren's wish was for Eri to fully recover from the injuries sustained by Darkwing(from when he first merged into the "real(not Mirror)" world). However Ren died from injuries sustained while fighting Odin. I found the ending to be incredibly sad and I found it hard to predict. Shinji dying was not expected at all. I usually expect the bad ass anti-hero rider to die with a compelling death. That happened later but that usually happens INSTEAD of the main rider dying. In some way I thought the ending was fitting because time was reset. Mainly because the war itself happened in an altered timeline of Shiro's making. So while Yui convinced him to end the war, technically the war still did happen but the timeline was "fixed", if that makes sense. What I thought was cool too was that towards the end, we find that Ren does really care about Shinji and that he actually wanted Shinji to live, ultimately. I think it's an indirect admission that he actually wanted Shinji to win the war, as much as he wanted to save Eri.
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