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05-04-2020, 05:33 AM | #1 |
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Alternate title was going to be "Why is Super Sentai failing" but it's moot because we all know the obvious answer. Also, Kiramager will be left out of this discussion as it is still ongoing and while I personally enjoyed it immensely, there's still risk of it going bad.
Let's be honest: Sentai is in a pinch for a long time now. It didn't help that the last few seasons would always divide people. Not to mention Kamen Rider, and even Ultraman now is more popular. I didn't know if that old rumor about Ryusoulger being a potential last season and if it didn't perform well Sentai will be cancelled/go on hiatus is true or not (though Kiramager exists would prove it false, but others would argue that it's because Ryusoulger used dinosaurs to make money and play it safe), but you can't deny the rumor did shook the fandom. And it's not like Sentai didn't try new things. They always did ever since Gokaiger. Each season would have a different gimmick (different colors for the core team, or even new things like 9 Rangers instead of 5) but majority of them aren't that successful, and in some cases have abysmal toy sales. Yes, one could argue that these gimmicks work if they were written better. They even tried that with Ryusoulger by having a fresh writer, but it didn't work as well. So I would like to ask: What would you do to make Super Sentai a powerhouse again?
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05-04-2020, 05:54 AM | #2 |
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Don't hard focus on the toys.
I know it's a toy commercial at it's root, but by focusing exclusively on pushing toys, it ends up down the same path as always. Children connect with characters, which helps establish favorites to perhaps could lead to stronger sales in different areas. Going to LuPat as an example, perhaps if they gave kids a reason to care about the Patrangers, their merch would've moved more. Instead, they saw the Q1 sales favoring Lupins, and exclusively focused on that. Maybe if they gave the Pats time to shine, and give kids the chance to see them as cool, it could've been salvaged... Also, better mechs. This is just coming from my crotchety old man perspective, but too many figures have been "Stand up the chonky red figure, and turn the others into the arms" I know since Sentai is aimed at a younger demographic, complicated transformations aren't exactly what they want, but some compromise would be nice. Give me more Shinken Oh, and less Kyuren Oh, at the very least.
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05-04-2020, 06:58 AM | #3 |
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Also, better mechs. This is just coming from my crotchety old man perspective, but too many figures have been "Stand up the chonky red figure, and turn the others into the arms"
I know since Sentai is aimed at a younger demographic, complicated transformations aren't exactly what they want, but some compromise would be nice. Give me more Shinken Oh, and less Kyuren Oh, at the very least. And that's what Sentai also suffers. Half of its merchandise are toys, but in most of Sentai seasons, the mecha fights felt like an afterthought as well as rushed. This shows even in Ryusoulger, a show where I praised the mecha fights for being like Ultraman-ish. So far Kiramager seems to avert this, but that's mostly because the Zords are sentient, giving them a priority
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05-04-2020, 07:24 AM | #4 |
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Stop introducing new toys every episode (or damn near it).
I'm not the target audience here, not by a longshot, I'm not 6 years old, I'm not Japanese and I don't buy toys at all so my opinion is entirely moot. But my theory is that when you introduce toys every episode and kids catch on to that, they stop buying it. Even worse, once parents catch on that there's something new every week, it'll be that much harder to sell. Compare that to how it used to be, where a mid-season reveal of a new mecha would be huge news and all the kids had to have it. If I got to wish entirely upon a star with considering anyone else, bigger focus on narrative and better transformation sequences. Feel free to build up the reveal of the main mecha for a few episodes, make it feel like the teams needed to work a bit to get the mech instead of just being handed to them because they're dressed in spandex all of a sudden. As for the transformation sequences, maybe I was just weird as a kid but that was the best part. The anticipation and the ultimate climax of the complete mech was brilliant every week. The more detailed and/or action there was, the better. The first transformation in Zyuranger or GoGoV are still some of the best. And as an adult I really appreciate if thought has gone together into how it all fits together rather than just handwaving it, bright flash then "Magic! It's a whole robot now... somehow." Oh, and feel free to make things a bit more unique, maybe not every season needs every ranger to start out with their own vehicle. Gah, I'm rambling and on a phone so maybe it doesn't make sense. |
05-04-2020, 02:16 PM | #5 |
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Funny, I think KyurenOh is one of the better example of mecha system, and it's basically ShinkenOh. Also speaking of toys, I'd argue that Ultraman nowadays is even more toyetic especially with how they literally show you how to use the toys every episode. But it gets glossed over as Ultraman feature great storytelling and action scenes.
And that's what Sentai also suffers. Half of its merchandise are toys, but in most of Sentai seasons, the mecha fights felt like an afterthought as well as rushed. This shows even in Ryusoulger, a show where I praised the mecha fights for being like Ultraman-ish. So far Kiramager seems to avert this, but that's mostly because the Zords are sentient, giving them a priority Shinken Oh and Kyuren Oh both had their mechs pulling double duty in some way (The Origami modes and Kyuren having any mech become arms or legs), but Kyuranger just fell completely flat.
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05-04-2020, 02:29 PM | #6 |
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Maybe have the narrative not be as dumbed down. Yes, I know it's a kid show, but so Is Rider and it's plot aren't dumbed down and are compelling.
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05-04-2020, 02:52 PM | #7 |
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I would make a moderate CG special effects, i would make better mechas, better fight scenes and i would improve the plots influence action-adventure sci fi/fanatsy Hollywood tv shows/movies.
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05-04-2020, 03:45 PM | #8 |
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I think Sentai should consider adopting a more serialized storyline. Outside of the occasional two-parter, most Sentai series are full of standalone, done-in-one episodes. I think this fact, especially when coupled with Sentai's willingness to go back to a lot of stock plots and situations, leaves the shows feeling like they lack much direction beyond the current monster of the week. Going with something more like Gaim (structurally, not tonally) would do Sentai a world of good. Have an ongoing main plot that continues across at least a good portion of the entire season and use that as the primary tool to develop the characters. I think it would really help the show to break out of the pattern of spotlight episodes scattered between new toy episodes.
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05-04-2020, 04:40 PM | #9 |
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I would make more robotic-looking mechas like the 80's and 90's.
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05-04-2020, 04:47 PM | #10 |
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Comparing the Super Sentai od the past to the Super Sentai of the now, I would push for a more consistent plot rather than mondter of the week fiascos that we got in LuPat and Ryusoulger (plot was one of the biggest reasons I enjoyed Kyurabger; it had slightly more plot than the series that followed it).
I'm not saying monster of the week is bad. I'm just saying its overused. At least insert some more plot into the story instead of trying to push for merchandise. |
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