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04-25-2023, 02:42 AM | #131 |
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So this was the first episode I watched as it was going out on the air (as opposed to long after the fact). The reveal of Live, the TwoSiDriver’s full gimmick (which made me continue my streak of getting both the Secondary Rider belt and the episode 5 gimmick item. I just need a P-Bandai item with voice lines from one of the characters, which I’m not exactly spoiled for choice on) and the Zi-O based Brachio Genome really got me hyped to watch.
Granted, the scammer trinity proved pretty much just monster fodder for this storyline, but given the main emotional plot with Daiji, it’s forgivable. Ikki: It’s Ikki and… Daiji: Daiji’s Both: Stamp Navi Hiromi: Featuring FENIX Captain Hiromi Kadota… Wakabayashi: Former Captain. Anyway, I’m also part of this, making sure Igarashi is back to his usual self and won’t be causing trouble. Daiji: I assure you, Kagerou is sleeping in my body right now. He won’t be causing any more trouble with today’s Vistamp. Brachio! Greatest! Longest! Oldest and Strongest! Brachio! Rejoice! For the birth of the long king! Ikki: Brachio Genome grants Revice an altogether greater kicking strength than any other Genome. Its primal power is unmatched by anything. Daiji: That’s right, Onii-san. I think Kagerou might’ve stolen it to prevent it from being used against him by you. George: So he simply wanted to prevent more power from amassing. Ironic, given today’s Legend. Desire Driver: Zi-O! Sougo: Let’s go! Henshin! Rider Time! Kamen Rider Zi-O! George: Kamen Rider Zi-O, Sougo Tokiwa. He started out as an ordinary high schooler, before he embarked on a quest through time to take the power of all the Heisei Riders, by defeating their Another Rider counterparts. In one future, he used the power of all Riders to become the Demon King of Time, Ohma Zi-O and conquered the world. “The Heisei Kamen Riders have passed through this era. Now, their power gives way to a new future. Rejoice, for the birth of the new king” Wakabayashi: ‘Demon King’? How come FENIX never heard of this? George: Oh, he erased his own existence and separated the Riders back into their own separate universes. Hiromi: Wait a minute, if all these Riders came from different universes, than how do we have enough data on them to make your Vistamps? (Suddenly, a time portal opens, with Ohma Zi-O on the other side) Ohma Zi-O: A wise man once said “Rule #3: Don’t ask unnecessary questions”. You would be wise to heed their advice in your situation. Vice: Just a moment! If you’re from the future, can you tell us some info? Is Daiji-chan rid of Kagerou? What are the winning lottery numbers this week? Will Hiromicchi ever be cool? Hiromi: Hey! Ohma Zi-O: I will not say anything that could disrupt the flow of events. However, I do have this to say. Revi, Vice, Live, and Demons. You and your fellow Riders will go through hardships that seem frustrating and illogical, but you must persevere through them. Goodbye. (He then vanishes along with the portal) Daiji: Wait a minute, did he say there’ll be more Riders helping us? Wakabayashi: I hope not. It would make things inconvenient in development. Hiromi: And besides, who’s going to become these Riders? Papa Igarashi? That kid from the karate class? Ikki: Things are getting a bit long winded, so I’ll just say “We hope you enjoy the next instalment”. Daiji: Next thing you know, Aguilera and Julio will be Riders. |
04-25-2023, 03:46 AM | #132 |
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Yeah, I’ll use this to finally talk about what I feel is the biggest problem at the heart of the show. It is unable to properly conclude a narrative it started, pretty damn consistently.
That is a problem plaguing the show from the micro, like the weak MotW-plots, to the macro scale where arcs fall just as flat. They have an idea, but never plan enough ahead and put the work to any significant amount of scrutiny that there are a lot of contradictions and unintended implications that brings it crumbling down. And it’s so frustrating! Also, why is George working on the Vistamps if they work without issues and keep the Rider-references even when picked up from a defeated Deadman? Again, not thinking things properly through.
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04-25-2023, 11:14 AM | #133 |
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Vice shouldn't be lumped with Ikki together for Kamen Ridering and busybodying, because Vice is just put on a leash at this point, but the one putting a leash is a person like Ikki, so Vice would be forced to go along with his whims whenever he likes it or not, because Vice would die otherwise.
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So this was the first episode I watched as it was going out on the air (as opposed to long after the fact). The reveal of Live, the TwoSiDriver?s full gimmick (which made me continue my streak of getting both the Secondary Rider belt and the episode 5 gimmick item. I just need a P-Bandai item with voice lines from one of the characters, which I?m not exactly spoiled for choice on) and the Zi-O based Brachio Genome really got me hyped to watch.
It's not a great look, them bungling the message of their first big storyline. I'm still optimistic, though! There's such a unique character dynamic between the inner demons and the Igarashi family and Happy Spa and Fenix... I feel like there's a ton of potential.
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04-25-2023, 11:42 AM | #134 |
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It's not a great look, them bungling the message of their first big storyline. I'm still optimistic, though! There's such a unique character dynamic between the inner demons and the Igarashi family and Happy Spa and Fenix... I feel like there's a ton of potential. But yeah, I hope you can find something to enjoy in it. Don't want to wish anyone a bad time with a show.
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04-25-2023, 11:46 AM | #135 |
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I think that's Layton's point though. Revice is a show full of potential, in its premise and themes, but the problem is that the writer makes an effort to constantly waste that potential by taking the story in frustrating directions. This episode concludes the stretch of the show that I mostly liked, that's not to say there aren't still good parts to come, but they're increasingly rare.
EDIT: I got ninja-ed.
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04-25-2023, 02:24 PM | #136 |
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Episode 8...
That was an episode I had no idea what to think of back in the day xD It seemed like they were defiantly going for drama, with a family breaking apart, a brotherly fight to the death, and how serious it seems to take this. But it stands kinda in stark opposission of the Giffamilia acting like larping costume shop employees and Kagero just being a teenager camping in a Hot Topic for a month, constantly screaming, "It's not a phase, mom!" It all mixes together in such a way that any of their actions made me burst out laughing, even when I felt I wasn't supposed to at times. It left me thoroughly confused, but I'd be lying if I hadn't fun. So, yeah, I take it I guess xD Quote:
I think that's Layton's point though. Revice is a show full of potential, in its premise and themes, but the problem is that the writer makes an effort to constantly waste that potential by taking the story in frustrating directions. This episode concludes the stretch of the show that I mostly liked, that's not to say there aren't still good parts to come, but they're increasingly rare.
EDIT: I got ninja-ed. This Revice has a lot of interesitng ideas(A superhero who doesn't have dead parents what is this timeline and I wanted a dinosaur themed rider for a while prior) but here's the problem remember how I said the first 20 episodes of Saber kinda suck but then it gets REALLY good Revice has the opposite problem the first 25 episodes are the best parts of the show (Save for one REALLY good episode later in the show) but the problem is it felt like the writers only had enough plot for like 30-35 episodes this is bad because most of these are around 45 episodes long. Even worse Revice is 50 episodes long now this wouldn't be an issue if the writers planned this story ahead of time but after a while it's going to be more and more obvious the writers DID NOT plan this story to be 50 episodes long. So were stuck with 25 episodes of them mostly repeating plotlines they did early on or dragging another sideplot WAY longer than it needed to be in my and many people's opinion |
04-25-2023, 02:25 PM | #137 |
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When a show is almost purposely bad like that… I don’t even know anymore.
EDIT: It seems I’ve also gotten Ninja-ed
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04-25-2023, 03:17 PM | #138 |
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Late-stage Saber, in all its glory, would not work without the foundation it had laid beforehand. It's kinda like Geats in that regard. Revice builds its foundation rather shakily, mixed with inconsistent pacing and not enough self-reflection regarding its own plot points and implications. So, when Saber used its foundation to elevate itself, Revice simply crashes down because there was nothing solid to pull from in the long run.
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04-25-2023, 05:38 PM | #139 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 10 - ?AN OLDER AND YOUNGER BROTHER, BELIEVING FROM THE HEART?
I mostly don?t get what Ikki and Daiji were supposed to have learned from this? Ikki?s rally in the second half is built around having faith in Daiji. Vice says that Ikki was just paying lip-service to his belief in Daiji, and it?s not until Vice?s pep talk that Ikki truly believes in Daiji?s strength. Except I?m not sure how Ikki?s behaving any differently? He spent all of last episode shouting DAIJI to a point that Vice ended up parodying, and he starts this episode begging for Daiji to put an end to Kagerou?s rampage. The only thing Ikki does differently at the end is tell Kagerou that Daiji?s strong, and I guess that?s it? That?s the lesson for Ikki? To be more verbally supportive of his brother? And Daiji doesn?t seem to learn anything; he just accepts his brother?s fawning praise and becomes a Kamen Rider because of it. The lesson, I guess, is to compliment dangerously jealous people, and put yourself beneath them until they stop trying to murder you? Quote:
It?s a conclusion that does just about nothing to address the overall dilemma of the Kagerou storyline: that Daiji?s unresolved envy coalesced into a monster that lived out Daiji?s secret desire of humiliating and murdering his brother. None of that is resolved in this exciting victory for Daiji, because all that happened is that Ikki said Daiji You?re So Much Cooler And More Awesome Than Me. This? this was not solely an Ikki problem! This was at least equally an Ikki and Daiji problem, but Daiji just waits in Kagerou?s head until Evil?s weakened by unearned compliments and Daiji heroically busts out. It?s like the show is burying the dilemma in the same way Daiji buried his resentment, and that?s sort of a terrible conclusion to frame as a win?
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And yet, there?s a competency to this episode that won?t let me write it off. I liked the Live suit?s debut, and the corresponding explosive fight scene. I liked the adorable family dinner at the end. I liked Aguilera going off to the underpass to flirt with Sakura. I liked all of the stuff with Vice as an attentive and helpful friend to Ikki. I liked Hiromi (not so) secretly being super emotionally invested in his soldiers. I liked the pace and structure of the episode, even if I didn?t care for how it chose to conclude this storyline. It?s? y?know, it?s not the best feeling, this disconnection from a big, emotional finale, but at least the way they told this not-great moral was pretty good?
Earlier on, this establishes something new for Sakura, establishing her vendetta and irrational disdain against Kamen Riders due to how it affects the family. The series establish further of the 2 major girl characters' rivalry with her fighting Aguilera, this time taking Aguilera's kick better (without leaving a mark in her white cloth) than before. Via Aguilera's temptation. Morton's fork situation for Hiromi as he's wrong either way, he gets scolded for not speaking up, but if he does then it's him taking blame anyway for being a Fenix member that involves Igarashi family. The end of the episode shows that Hiromi can loose up, offering a genuine smile after Daiji is restored, probably he's in that situation when there's not military occupations stressing him. It's also probably him actually more hoping for a best outcome too, but had less hesitation before compared to Ikki, who is a family. Also the first time he got de-henshin... so the Deadman of the week from the Sentai alumnis puts better fight than Olteca and Julio (at least if those 2 didn't hold back). George seems to be thrilled over the appearence of Live, so he seems to appreciate some of the Kamen Rider virtues (other than being a fan of its aesthetics) to a degree, wanting to create a hero that is born from lots of drama and struggle. Still doesn't change the fact that he let a superpowered villain loose though as Kagerou before. Wakabayashi starts to be suspicious of him... firstly assuming him as just a mad scientist who prioritizes experiment over anything, when he's motivated by his, destructive passion of Kamen Rider.
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04-25-2023, 05:53 PM | #140 |
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For as wonky as early Saber could be at times, I still very much enjoyed it, it is fundamental to its later success.
Late-stage Saber, in all its glory, would not work without the foundation it had laid beforehand. It's kinda like Geats in that regard. Revice builds its foundation rather shakily, mixed with inconsistent pacing and not enough self-reflection regarding its own plot points and implications. So, when Saber used its foundation to elevate itself, Revice simply crashes down because there was nothing solid to pull from in the long run. Last edited by Mmicb0b; 04-25-2023 at 05:57 PM.. |
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