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04-02-2019, 10:33 AM | #11 |
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To be fair, Black's expression was never a stoic look, and his reasoning was solid.
Green was just a douche, though, yeah.
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04-02-2019, 10:44 AM | #12 |
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Disclaimer, due to a lack of time, I'm going off the raw seen during the livestream of the episode.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately this episode is also brought down from a Good to Ok to me on the basis of giving us our second look at the brothers... and its them trying to murder Ui for the crime of unwillingly getting turned into the Minosaur's host. My first thought is, if this is how Black and Green are, then Ryusoul Gold as comedic type 6th ranger confirmed?/s But in all seriousness, that was a really dick move for the brothers to do. Yeah, in episode 1 we had Kou ready to bash Ui's head in with a sledgehammer named "Mind Wiper", but that was a gag centered around defying the audience's expectations of how he would wipe her memories, and I didn't hear any laugh track for this scene. It's also not helpful the show doesn't portray any sort of nobility for this, even if killing the host is the right way to stop the monster, you'd think the show would've spun it like "The brothers are prepared to mercy kill a host if they're willing to die to stop the minosaur's growth.", but no we get "Ui's the minorsaur host?!" "Oh don't worry, I've got this. draws sword". |
04-02-2019, 11:14 AM | #13 |
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Disclaimer, due to a lack of time, I'm going off the raw seen during the livestream of the episode.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately this episode is also brought down from a Good to Ok to me on the basis of giving us our second look at the brothers... and its them trying to murder Ui for the crime of unwillingly getting turned into the Minosaur's host. My first thought is, if this is how Black and Green are, then Ryusoul Gold as comedic type 6th ranger confirmed?/s But in all seriousness, that was a really dick move for the brothers to do. Yeah, in episode 1 we had Kou ready to bash Ui's head in with a sledgehammer named "Mind Wiper", but that was a gag centered around defying the audience's expectations of how he would wipe her memories, and I didn't hear any laugh track for this scene. It's also not helpful the show doesn't portray any sort of nobility for this, even if killing the host is the right way to stop the monster, you'd think the show would've spun it like "The brothers are prepared to mercy kill a host if they're willing to die to stop the minosaur's growth.", but no we get "Ui's the minorsaur host?!" "Oh don't worry, I've got this. draws sword". can yall not understand character flaws and set up for growth |
04-02-2019, 11:39 AM | #14 |
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It's another thing entirely to cross the line into instantly wanting to kill an innocent person with not only no remorse, but with a smile on your face. It actually makes them come across as worse than the villains and does nothing to make you want to see them get redeemed; it just kind of makes you go "wow. What an unhinged pair of psychopaths". The main points of the scene - that these two are willing to go for much more radical methods; that sometimes those methods might be necessary; using those as a way to further the already-established premise of the pair feeling they're superior to the other Ryousoulgers and Green in particular rubbing it in their faces - could have been achieved much more effectively without overdoing it on the malice and without making them seem completely unsympathetic. As is they're so quick to it and so malicious about it that it actually distracts from those points; weakening the scene and their characters as a result. The framing of the scene and how something is put across absolutely matters. I would please ask that you watch the episode before patronising someone for their opinion. |
04-02-2019, 11:52 AM | #15 |
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Like, guys, they're not supposed to be likable or sympathetic at this point. And that's okay. It's only episode three. We've got like, 45 more episodes to go. Maybe we're just too conditioned to expect all sentai heroes to be noble, flawless paragons of justice. I think it's SUPER interesting that Towa and Banba are not that (yet). Quote:
It's another thing entirely to cross the line into instantly wanting to kill an innocent person with not only no remorse, but with a smile on your face. It actually makes them come across as worse than the villains and does nothing to make you want to see them get redeemed; it just kind of makes you go "wow. What an unhinged pair of psychopaths".
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04-02-2019, 12:36 PM | #16 |
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While I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong once I get the time to watch the subs, I will however interject on this discussion for a sec.
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Like, guys, they're not supposed to be likable or sympathetic at this point. And that's okay. It's only episode three. We've got like, 45 more episodes to go.
Maybe we're just too conditioned to expect all sentai heroes to be noble, flawless paragons of justice. I think it's SUPER interesting that Towa and Banba are not that (yet). |
04-02-2019, 03:54 PM | #17 |
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Also the most notable thing for me was the cockpit cinematography because I am a slut for good camera shots. The fact everyone else got Dinoknights should be the first step in making Green and Banba change their outlooks
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04-02-2019, 06:27 PM | #18 |
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04-02-2019, 06:57 PM | #19 |
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To wade into this whole debate without having seen the episode, allow me to compare to White!Woz, from the Ryuki arc. He suggests murdering Shinji for the purposes of solving the Another Ryuga problem, and it's taken (both in universe and by us) to make him even shadier than he already was.
Now, this is slightly different, because we haven't already had four episodes of them being dodge but in a world full of redemption arcs for seemingly every villain and anti-hero, it helps if the character starts out likeable to start. Otherwise, why are we, the audience, meant to believe it when they start to become good, or meant to care in the first place? Yes, this is obvious set up to character growth where they learn to *not* murder people, but some people might have already thought they've gone too far in how unremorseful they seem to be in murdering an innocent, especially as (being a non-red Sentai member), they might not get that much on screen development anyway.
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04-02-2019, 07:47 PM | #20 |
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The crux of my issue with Green and Black is more about how the episode portrays it than their actions themselves. Something about the way all of it is framed suggested to me that the show considered all of this a lot more minor than it was.
I guarantee you Towa and Bamba's character development is going to amount to simply learning to "not be jerks", the same way any other jerk rival character's arc goes. It seems less like the show has some clever and fresh plan for them and more like they came up with a very rushed and ill-advised way to show how they're not nice. There's a million ways to soften this and make it work better (have them seem more remorseful about "having" to do it, emphasize the ticking clock more to make their argument easier to agree with, NOT go out of your way to show both Towa and Bamba half a second away from going through with it), but they didn't do any of that. I'm not sure how committed I am to criticizing this show yet, but my gut keeps telling me this whole plot point was too bizarrely heavy for Super Sentai and their attempt to keep the tone light only served to create a weird clash. I'm pretty sure friggin' Wolzard would've had more qualms about doing something like this, and his entire shtick was being an EVIL knight. This whole thing just doesn't sit right with me.
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