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10-20-2018, 06:34 AM | #1 |
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The Another Wizard creature is overpowering our heroes. Perhaps some help will be needed to overcome this foe. And maybe a splash of mayonnaise...
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10-20-2018, 08:31 PM | #2 |
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10-20-2018, 10:59 PM | #3 |
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Hina and hino! No ankh? Maybe next next episode. You can't have joker without cyclone, but they did it anyway. The show finally started to stray away from the formula to let the villains and woz time to shine. I'm Afraid next year all the watches will be irrelevant until the end game since the first quarter is more about the tributes than real plot, is they need ti catch up.
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10-21-2018, 12:20 AM | #4 |
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Oh heat dopant is the owner/daughter of another wizard late boss. She looks like jasmine in the preview last week. Nitou was kind of pointless. Hope next week with Dan and eiji, there's going to be some twist or explanation to how the show even work aside from the .5 side episodes. The comedy relief owns the real reality explanation by acknowledging the mess.
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10-23-2018, 08:29 AM | #5 |
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Hey everyone, guess what time it is!
Time for this show to start taking off the training wheels apparently, because this episode was excellent. First of all it once again feels exactly like an episode of Wizard, with the continued soap opera like story of the one-off cast (technically two-off, I guess), which was pretty well executed and interesting in its own right, I think. We haven't really had Double style two-parters for a while now, so honestly it's kind of nice seeing them again. For as repetitive as they can become en masse I've always felt this format had a lot of merits. Second, our actual main characters are super solid at this point. I wasn't too hard on the earliest episodes because I figured once the series settled into a status quo, the characters would rapidly become less shallow, and much like when Ex-Aid had its whole cast assembled, that's exactly what happened. Geiz and Sougo's dynamic in these episodes was great, but the main takeaway from this week is how the ending makes it explicit that Sougo growing a spine the way he has lately IS in fact deliberate character development. The way he bossed around Woz here was especially fun, and reminiscent of Eiji and Ankh's whole relationship in OOO. This was just a really solid pair of episodes and I'm looking more and more forward to this show every week.
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10-23-2018, 10:00 AM | #6 |
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When Hayase calls his past self, he could've at least told him some lottery numbers
Anyway, at least we get a sense of an explanation with the whole Another Riders/ Regular Riders dynamic. So from what I understand is that... 1. When Another Rider is made, the original rider's powers and memories disappear. 2. When they defeat An Another Rider, but not the proper way, it restores their powers and memories temporally. 3. When they defeat them in the right timeline and powers, it restores the timeline to what it once was. Well it least that would explain why the other riders are appearing in Heisei Generations Forever. But then why was Sento "Katsuragi" again, unless it happened when he was temporarily in his Katsuragi phase or he's a special case they are saving for the movie. |
10-23-2018, 02:26 PM | #7 |
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Good episode. Glad to see they're finally explaining the obvious to areas of the audience that needs it. Though they've been having to repeat info they've already said quite a lot. Lots of the details in this were already said repeatedly before. xD
One detail that stands out though, we now partially know what created Oma Zi-O. Some form of betrayal is what set him on his course. Which again is pointing at Geiz, Woz, or Tsukuyomi. More maybe on Geiz still. Woz may hide details or only tell half-truths, but directly offending his overlord wouldn't bode well for him long term. So I don't think he's the Judas. Tsukuyomi I think is more impacted by it to potentially become an excess captive or otherwise stuck between them. Based on how Woz talked to her, there's more about her we're going to learn about too. That seems to foreshadow some form of future presence for her. So that leaves Geiz as the likely Judas. And we do know he and Woz have history, which also likely means Tsukuyomi and Woz have history too. Though I think, as we really should already know anyway, Woz knows more about them and their futures than he lets on. And he seems really kind of leaning on toying with Geiz like he knows something about Geiz's future that's irony loaded. Like maybe Geiz directly is the cause of the future Geiz is trying to avert. Really liked seeing them play up more of the Ciel and Sebastian angle this week too. Making that much clearer to the audience as well. Something else to keep in mind, the another riders come into existence for when the rider of a series takes place, though the ride watch shows the year it aired. Some series weren't taking place at the same time they aired. We'll likely see more of this when it gets to Kiva. Quote:
When Hayase calls his past self, he could've at least told him some lottery numbers
Anyway, at least we get a sense of an explanation with the whole Another Riders/ Regular Riders dynamic. So from what I understand is that... 1. When Another Rider is made, the original rider's powers and memories disappear. 2. When they defeat An Another Rider, but not the proper way, it restores their powers and memories temporally. 3. When they defeat them in the right timeline and powers, it restores the timeline to what it once was. Well it least that would explain why the other riders are appearing in Heisei Generations Forever. But then why was Sento "Katsuragi" again, unless it happened when he was temporarily in his Katsuragi phase or he's a special case they are saving for the movie. Same is what happened with Ex-Aid, he got his memories and powers back when the monster reverted to human, then back to no powers with limited memories when the monster came back. Same as we saw with Beast in this. Memories came back when the another rider was defeated, and then faded when the another rider came back, but also faded once the ride armor came into existence too. Like explained before. The Another Rider replaces the rider in history, and then when defeated by a Ride Armor of it's same, the Ride Armor becomes the replacement in the timeline. The Ride Watch also stores the memories and rider power, but Woz didn't explain that part. It's been said previously though as well as visually shown with how the ride armors act before being worn. This episode was filling those gaps for those that aren't catching the details. So Sento getting his memories and powers back again will likely come up in the movie itself. Because we do know there will have to be a way to restore them. And there is likely a ride watch method to temp restore them or 'release the power' for a set time in case their guidance and memories are needed for a problem. So it'd make sense that the ride watch would store them as a controllable database in that way. A manner of calling on them to answer questions, and then reverting them back to not having the power or memories to keep them from using it to fight back. But Sento doesn't have his memories back yet. They faded again. So likely whatever allows him to have them in the movie is going to be something shown in the movie, which will likely carry over to the series too. We haven't seen what the second ride watch button push does in series yet. But we do know the toys have an added SFX for double pushing the button. And only certain things fade with the another rider/ride watch. Some personality details stay. Like Sento is still a genius scientist even without being Build. We've seen directly now that the full side riders are impacted when a lead rider becomes an another rider, that they lose their powers and memories too. Same as Dan is still Dan even without rider powers. Though that should have been obvious already from Cross-z losing his powers and memories when Another Build came into existence. So it is impossible for a rider to defeat their own another rider, except for maybe Kabuto due to Clock Up. Once an Another Rider exists, the previous rider no longer does. Unless the Another Rider is defeated or temp defeated to human. Not sure what this means for Den-O though since the Imagins are used to this on humans losing memories. But even if they don't disappear, the belt would cease working anyway and the den-liner would lose power or disappear. Though I do still like the idea of "Dorothy's house" on a monster. It's so "well crap, that backfired." But likely the Imagins disappear too since they do 'power' the belt for den-o. And the Watch holder may have more to it than we realize yet. But that may have to wait until it's full to see, or is attached to the time machine itself. They seem to be drawing a lot on doctor who, so the ride watch holder does seem to allude to something similar to "The big bang" episodes. Like how the ride watches themselves seemingly allude to the Martha Pocket Watch episode. There was a seemingly obvious music cue in the first episode to reference that's intentional as well. Last edited by Librarian; 10-23-2018 at 02:33 PM.. |
10-23-2018, 03:21 PM | #8 |
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WOW, this Episode...!!! Probably my favorite Episode of Zi-O thus far!!! So many good things to cover.
First off, let's address just how well Sougo has now adapted to having Woz on his side, and now he's taking good advantage of him in order to gain information he needs. I really, REALLY love this play by Sougo, it really opens some interesting possibilities on what he can do with Woz. Second, this Episode clears up alot of things that people who haven't been keeping up with the .5 Episodes may have missed out on, plus confirms a bit of what we've been speculating: when an Another Rider is killed via a way other than their corresponding Rider Powers, the powers & memories of their corresponding Riders will TEMPORARILY restore, but then be reset once the Another Rider revives. (Now if only they'll explain just why the Time Jackers keep coming back to the defeated Another Rider to "reset" their Another RideWatch) Third, I really like how this Another Rider Victim of the Week was actually addressed: it's crazy how Sougo actually had his present self talk his past self out of going into despair over losing out on the woman he loved. It's mind-boggling for sure(I was seeing this going "OH CRAP, this could lead to some pretty huge butterfly effects!"), but it was a pretty resolution to the Episode. I really like how this was his reasoning for staying in the present time, even though like Woz said, there was pretty much no point to staying & fighting this Another Rider if they can't beat him in present time. Also, this possibly hints at Geiz liking Tsukuyomi, since Geiz was watching curiously over the man as he confessed his love for her, and it panned over to Tsukuyomi right after. I think my only real complaint is that Kousuke honestly wasn't that well-utilized. He was just there to give up the RideWatch & that's it....? Whatever...Could've had him stick around for a bit more. And his fight with Geiz was SO SHORT & UNDERWHELMING...And what's up with him having the Beast RideWatch but not giving it to Geiz??? Are we gonna see him later on, or...? What was the point of that...?
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10-23-2018, 04:38 PM | #9 |
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Second, this Episode clears up alot of things that people who haven't been keeping up with the .5 Episodes may have missed out on, plus confirms a bit of what we've been speculating: when an Another Rider is killed via a way other than their corresponding Rider Powers, the powers & memories of their corresponding Riders will TEMPORARILY restore,
So that's more like how Sougo reacted to humans being another riders, even though he should have already realized that from episode 1 and 2. Like how Geiz reacted to his shock about not already realizing that. Sougo is our audience level intelligence so to speak in many ways. He's slow to get things that are obvious. But he's also quick to adapt and learn as we've seen in this episode too with how he used Woz, granted he missed the aspect that Woz only told him half the truth. But that goes to Sougo's trusting nature. Quote:
So far, it seems only Woz is immune to their "time freeze" thing. Last edited by Librarian; 10-23-2018 at 04:42 PM.. |
10-24-2018, 06:42 AM | #10 |
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I have to say...Sougo is growing on me. He pulled an "Genius Gamer M" or Eiji move by using Woz to his advantage. And one of my favorite parts about this series thus far is that despite Sougo growing increasingly more heroic as the season goes on, it's also bringing him closer to becoming Oma Zi-O and is raising red flags for Geiz and Tsukoyomi. I really like that and I hope the writers take it to their advantage.
Also let me just say this now: I CANNOT hate this show regardless of what happens next because not only is freakin' EIJI coming back, but he may also potentially share the screen with KING Dan Kuroto? How can I hate you Zi-O when you keep creating moments like this?
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