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04-14-2022, 12:20 AM | #651 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 25 - “ANOTHER ZI-O 2019”
Long day, late night, let’s see how quickly we can bang this one out. I thought this episode was fine for what it was. We’re in a version of the show that purposely avoids a lot of the stuff I liked about it: the warmth of Team Zi-O, the fun takes on Legend Rider themes, and self-contained problems for our heroes to resolve. Everything here is sort of sad, and tense, and sprawls in an unpleasant way. Like I said, this is this portion of the show Working As Intended, but it’s not a ton of fun to exist in. It’s another neat episode for Sougo’s crushing isolation and his At All Costs friendship with the Time Orphans, though. For him to be like Maybe If I Fight A Monster I’ll Get To See My Buds Again… sad! Real sad! But touching, since it just reinforces how much Sougo wants to get his life back to the happy state it used to be: going on Time Missions and only occasionally finding out he’s destined to destroy humanity. The Time Orphans, meanwhile, are just sort of vaguely existing, running through the same routines as the last couple episodes. Tsukuyomi would like to see Zi-O defeated by Geiz. Geiz would like for Tsukuyomi to get off his back. Hat Woz is… around. It’s missing even the frustrating nonsense of Tsukuyomi’s terror, subsisting entirely on Geiz’z cornered unease with this whole conflict. There’s separation, but no one can really explain why, or how long it’s supposed to last for, so we get everyone being slightly bummed out. That just leaves the introduction of Another Zi-O, and, again: fine. I like where this story seems to be going, how it looks to be about how Sougo's never let his suffering or loss turn him into a bad person, even though Hiryuu is maybe Exhibit A in how Sougo could’ve gone bad. Sougo and Hiryuu had the same background trauma (with, I’m sure, more details to come), but Sougo kept himself optimistic, while Hiryuu probably didn’t. I say “probably”, because BOY is this the first part of a two-parter. There’s almost nothing concrete to talk about with Hiryuu, so I’m left to speculation and inference. Another Zi-O is running around terrorizing former Another Riders (so many fun cameos!), but the How and Why of it all is left for next week. I usually don’t care about these types of mysteries, and this one’s no different. There’s almost nothing for me to hang onto here. Swartz did something, and it’s bad, but no one says why it’s bad. Hiryuu has a grudge, and he seems bad, but it’s unclear what he’s really after. He has a backstory with Sougo, but maybe he doesn’t, since Sougo doesn’t seem to recognize him. There’s a lot of foreboding here, but nothing of any real substance. Maybe this wasn’t fine? I don’t know. Maybe I’m just tired. I’m sure I’ll like the second part of this story better. Like I said, there’s some interesting thematic stuff the Another Zi-O concept is hinting at. Sougo’s date night with Woz was real cute; total episode highlight. But there’s just too much mystery at this point in the show, too much that’s About To Happen. I need some goddamn payoff!
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04-14-2022, 12:35 AM | #652 |
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You think you're eager for more? Imagine having to wait an entire week :0 Or maybe I was the only one as inordinately excited for next episode as I was back when this aired.
This episode is the start of something special for me, and I remember a lot of first impressions still. ...The first of which is just a really random barely-a-gripe I have but still bugs me to this day, and that's how the Geiz Revive Ridewatch comes into play. I know back in episode 18, White Woz straight up laid out the events that when three mysterious ridewatches came together, it would create a new power. I, and I'm sure a lot of other people, assumed this was some abstract prophecy of sorts, but it turned out to be completely literal? Like, things popping out of thin air is honestly not that big a deal to me in these shows, but there's not even any thematic reasoning as to why the three MiRidewatches, based on three unrelated guys who give powers to Woz, would come together to make a powerup for Geiz. But anyway, point is that there's a scary vision of Geiz and Zi-O's inevitable battle, but right now Geiz doesn't have it in him to commit yet. But there is someone else all too ready to commit to beating on Zi-O! Another Zi-O is a really cool design, and although a lot about him is still up in the air in this episode, I was pretty ready to accept a classic evil mirror image of our hero right away (I mean, putting aside we already have two of those in Sougo's evil future self and his literal mirror image from a few episodes ago). I guess I don't really have much to say that this episode just left me excited for the next. Everything was hitting at my senses saying that everything that's been built up to for a long while is going to erupt in a big way, much like how episode 15 left me feeling. So yeah, it's like 100% foreboding and slow moments, but I was kinda totally into it! Well except for those scenes with the Time Jackers being cryptic about whatever they're doing. Thinking about them has always been detrimental to my enjoyment of the show so I just phased them out of my mind as usual... |
04-14-2022, 12:44 AM | #653 |
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Episode 24!
- Hiryuu has arrived! I do remember my gut reaction on my inital watch being something like. "D. Diend....?" Like they aren't really similar(Kaito was a nuisance at worst but this guy's clamoring for Sougo's head on a pike) but something about the way he carries himself reminded me of Kaito...? Idk man, maybe cramming for finals 24/7 is making me lose it. Anyway I have Thoughts about the guy, but that's for another time. -And he's Another Zi-O! This is part 2 of "Wow that seems a lot smarter than whatever you guys were doing!?" for the Time Jackers! It can make Ridewatches and switch seamlessly between forms, on top of having Zi-O's future sight, how convient! The guy using it seems estastic to rip Sougo a new one! If we're headed fullspeed toward towards the Day of Oma, isn't it conivent to have another Zi-O around ready to start shit and become Oma-Zio? (Or is that last part a bad thing, Heure seems pretty upset about the whole idea?) |
04-14-2022, 03:10 AM | #654 |
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So here we are, at the point where the Time Jackers have fully switched to creating Another Riders in the present (as evidenced by Another Zi-O being dated 2019 rather than 2018). In-universe, Shirakura explained that so many paradoxes have accumulated that the timeline is saying “no more” and forbidden travel through time to 2001, 2004 through 2009, 2014 and 2018. Out-of-universe, I can’t turn up a solid reason, but some have been suggested.
* Most of the remaining Phase 1 Riders are all visibly older than when they did their shows and even if they aren’t that much, they still look pretty different * Most of them already have some degree of immunity to time changing shenanigans (Blade, Kabuto, Den-O, Kiva) * To fit with the rule Another Faiz established that Another Riders only last 8 years. (The only other one who lasted that long was Another OOO, or as O-T’s subs for this episode mistranslated him, “Another Woz”, new character) And with no Ridewatch this time (we’ve still got another episode for Revive), we’ll do the compare and contrast. Hiryu Kakogawa, like how Asura was the opposite of of both Kouta and Kaito, is an opposite to both Sougo and Geiz. Sougo is someone who looks to the future and was able to get the Legend Riders’ powers be befriending them, while Hiryu is stuck on an incident in his past (as evidenced by the fact his name contains the kanji for “past”) and gains the Another Riders’ powers by assaulting and hospitalising them. Meanwhile, both Geiz and Hiryu are gunning to kill Sougo, but while Geiz is hesitating and has managed to befriend Sougo, Hiryu is utterly dedicated to killing the persons he believes ruined his life. Design-wise, Another Zi-O’s palette is the opposite of regular Zi-O’s, even down to having a black Ziku-Driver that he uses to transform. And the basic design is the ultimate example of what Another Riders are: a monster that resembles a Kamen Rider. For bonus points, his face looks vaguely humanoid, hinting at how most Another Riders are transformed from humans. Last edited by Androzani84; 04-26-2024 at 03:56 PM.. |
04-14-2022, 06:42 AM | #655 |
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Anyone else see Another Zi-O and think he's about to rasp out "Starrrsss" at some point? Just me? I only see Nemesis? Okay. Anyway not much to say about this episode since this is a lot of setup. But I do love how we're revisiting older Another Rider hosts and such. Which makes it a sort of problem when you're writing a Fanfic on Zi-O and most of your replacements for them are actual monsters underneath who end up being killed instead of just defeated. That was fun to sort of try and get around.
There's just a whole lot of intrigue here and I'd dare say I love how this feels like the lowest point we could be at with Zi-O in regards to its status quo. Really helps set up this Arc as a big deal. It also feels very purposeful. Anyway the BGM Preview is here and uh... Deep Pitched Over Quarzter (Ew), Toki no Ouja, and now Future Guardian are here and uh... nope. Really could care less about these choices. Zero's Legend Episode Previews Corner - EP 26 Preview: |
04-14-2022, 07:53 AM | #656 |
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I don't like Kakogawa Hiryu. That's it.
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04-14-2022, 09:20 AM | #657 |
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Hiryu is literally just Alister from the Duel Monsters anime.
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04-14-2022, 09:54 AM | #658 |
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This episode is the start of something special for me, and I remember a lot of first impressions still. ...The first of which is just a really random barely-a-gripe I have but still bugs me to this day, and that's how the Geiz Revive Ridewatch comes into play. I know back in episode 18, White Woz straight up laid out the events that when three mysterious ridewatches came together, it would create a new power. I, and I'm sure a lot of other people, assumed this was some abstract prophecy of sorts, but it turned out to be completely literal? Like, things popping out of thin air is honestly not that big a deal to me in these shows, but there's not even any thematic reasoning as to why the three MiRidewatches, based on three unrelated guys who give powers to Woz, would come together to make a powerup for Geiz.
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And he's Another Zi-O! This is part 2 of "Wow that seems a lot smarter than whatever you guys were doing!?" for the Time Jackers! It can make Ridewatches and switch seamlessly between forms, on top of having Zi-O's future sight, how convient! The guy using it seems estastic to rip Sougo a new one! If we're headed fullspeed toward towards the Day of Oma, isn't it conivent to have another Zi-O around ready to start shit and become Oma-Zio? (Or is that last part a bad thing, Heure seems pretty upset about the whole idea?)
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So here we are, at the point where the Time Jackers have fully switched to creating Another Riders in the present (as evidenced by Anpther Zi-O being dated 2019 rather than 2018). In-universe, Shirakura explained that so many paradoxes have accumulated that the timeline is saying ?no more? and forbidden travel through time to 2001, 2004 through 2009, 2014 and 2018. Out-of-universe, I can?t turn up a solid reason, but some have been suggested.
Okay! Didn't see him enough in this episode to form an opinion, myself. Okay! I didn't watch that show.
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04-14-2022, 01:18 PM | #659 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 25 - ?ANOTHER ZI-O 2019?
It?s another neat episode for Sougo?s crushing isolation and his At All Costs friendship with the Time Orphans, though. For him to be like Maybe If I Fight A Monster I?ll Get To See My Buds Again? sad! Real sad! But touching, since it just reinforces how much Sougo wants to get his life back to the happy state it used to be: going on Time Missions and only occasionally finding out he?s destined to destroy humanity. Quote:
The Time Orphans, meanwhile, are just sort of vaguely existing, running through the same routines as the last couple episodes. Tsukuyomi would like to see Zi-O defeated by Geiz. Geiz would like for Tsukuyomi to get off his back. Hat Woz is? around. It?s missing even the frustrating nonsense of Tsukuyomi?s terror, subsisting entirely on Geiz?z cornered unease with this whole conflict. There?s separation, but no one can really explain why, or how long it?s supposed to last for, so we get everyone being slightly bummed out.
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That just leaves the introduction of Another Zi-O, and, again: fine. I like where this story seems to be going, how it looks to be about how Sougo's never let his suffering or loss turn him into a bad person, even though Hiryuu is maybe Exhibit A in how Sougo could?ve gone bad. Sougo and Hiryuu had the same background trauma (with, I?m sure, more details to come), but Sougo kept himself optimistic, while Hiryuu probably didn?t.
But otherwise, for now Hiryu has just debuted, his purpose here is to show off his power first, not only that he can make use of other Rider powers like Sougo and Geiz (and those kind of Riders are usually OP, among all franchise, like Tsukasa before, anniversary Riders), but he also has Zi-O II's future sight ability. Though otherwise, the people who are infuriated with him above has good reason for that. Swartz is also a speculation, Heure and Ora is now suspicious of him, so Ora is relatively better person compared to Swartz, of course not saying much though, they're still speculating about Swartz being the one behind Zi-O II.
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04-14-2022, 01:46 PM | #660 |
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As previously Sougo has acknowledged his capacity of evil, as well as him still being genuinely good in his stint with Kikai, it comes into play here, of Sougo wanting to use a tragedy for personal reasons by visiting his friends again via Another Riders' rampage, but actually Sougo isn't in denial about it but snaps out of it as he acknowledges it's twisted and terrible.
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