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01-12-2016, 06:19 PM | #6711 |
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I can't really comment on the quality of 80's Sentai as I've only seen 2, Sun Vulcan and Liveman, and good god is Sun Vulcan a chore. So my opinion on 80's series is a solid 50/50 on good and bad.
Jetman is a decent series, but a lot of it's praises stem from about 7 episodes of it's 50 episode run, so keep that in mind. I coudn't make it beyond 10 episodes of Dynaman, but the show might be better subbed than raw. I also found Bioman, Maskman, and Turboranger to be quite boring. There just wasn't enough in there to make me go "WOW!" They might have been much better shows if you saw them in order compared to see the 90s stuff first. Liveman, on the other hand, was the first series from the 80s I saw, so that could be why my expectations are different. I have seen the first few episodes to Changeman and Flashman, but not enough to justify their shows. |
01-12-2016, 07:07 PM | #6712 |
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Turboranger may seem a little weird at first glance, from what I've seen I really liked it and it has some fun plots and the characters are HS students who actually feel and look like HS students, and we see some interactions with other students and stuff. It's a pretty fun series.
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01-12-2016, 07:50 PM | #6713 |
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Sure, Jetman doesn't start firing on all cylinders, but it's utterly reductive to say it's only praised for seven of its episodes. |
01-12-2016, 07:54 PM | #6714 |
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I think Jetman is definitely a good series, but I don't think it lives up the major hype people build for it. The characters never really develop a whole lot and the triangle can get really grating. For me at least it falls somewhere in the middle. It's nothing great, but it isn't terrible.
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01-12-2016, 07:57 PM | #6715 |
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This is nonsense. Maybe YOU think only seven of them are praiseworthy, but that's far from universal. Those "seven episodes" to which you refer would have zero impact if it weren't for the other 43 episodes that build them up.
Sure, Jetman doesn't start firing on all cylinders, but it's so reductive to say it's only praised for seven of its episodes. Jetman doesn't have 7 praise worthy episodes. I'm just saying that most of Jetman's universal acclaim comes from Gai and Ryu's being at odds (When I was considering watching it, that's all anyone mentioned). After viewing it, they were never really at opposite ends unless the episode specifically called for it. Gai was aloof a lot, but unless the episode needed Gai to be a pissy bitch or Ryu to be a pushy ass, they were never really shown to be at ends. So when people try to recommend Jetman based on "Gai and Ryu," they're really only talking about 7 odd episodes where it actually comes up (There are probably more, but I'm trying my hardest to avoid ones that center on Kaori being a vapid, misleading bitch) When I first watched Jetman, I don't recall anyone mentioning Radiguet or Tran, the other Jetmen (Namely Raita), or any other storylines.
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01-12-2016, 09:13 PM | #6716 |
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You misunderstand.
Jetman doesn't have 7 praise worthy episodes. I'm just saying that most of Jetman's universal acclaim comes from Gai and Ryu's being at odds (When I was considering watching it, that's all anyone mentioned). After viewing it, they were never really at opposite ends unless the episode specifically called for it. Gai was aloof a lot, but unless the episode needed Gai to be a pissy bitch or Ryu to be a pushy ass, they were never really shown to be at ends. So when people try to recommend Jetman based on "Gai and Ryu," they're really only talking about 7 odd episodes where it actually comes up (There are probably more, but I'm trying my hardest to avoid ones that center on Kaori being a vapid, misleading bitch) When I first watched Jetman, I don't recall anyone mentioning Radiguet or Tran, the other Jetmen (Namely Raita), or any other storylines. This brings up a good point. I find that a lot of toku fans are notoriously terrible at communicating why they actually like a thing. *JETMAN SPOILERS FROM HERE ON* Sure, a big part of what makes Jetman great is the relationship between Ryu and Gai. Gai starts as a scoundrel, Ryu a boy scout. And over the course of the series, Ryu's influence allows Gai to realize that he doesn't have to be a callous loner all the time-- that he can be a good person and care about other people without sacrificing his "cool guy" image. Meanwhile, Gai challenges Ryu's strict and rigid moral code. Gai's growth as a hero teaches Ryu that he can embrace his own inner rogue without abandoning his sense of right & wrong, allowing Ryu to stop feeling so guilty and repressed about his perceived duty. By the end, these two heroes are able to understand each other in ways they absolutely couldn't at the start, and I don't know that I've ever seen a relationship as strong as theirs in Sentai. But Jetman's greatness is so much more than that. It's found in the intense interpersonal drama (our guys are put through the ringer), the moral shades of gray, the storytelling structure, the absurd comedy, the cliffhangers (oh, the cliffhangers!), and the lovable side characters (Raita, Ako, and Commander Aya primary among them). It's found in the way the bad guys and good guys trade the upper-hand every few episodes, giving the distinct feeling that the groups make each other stronger the more they fight each other (seriously, the heroes and villains feel like equals in a way I've never seen in another Sentai). It's found in the tragic arcs of Maria, Grey, and Gai. It's found in Radiguet's heartbreaking acts of villainy. It's found in the performances and the cast's chemistry and the music and the action and in so many other elements I can't hope to list them all. If it wasn't clear, I hold Jetman very close to my heart. I had such a strong emotional reaction to this series that it hurts to see all the cynical backlash directed at it (here and elsewhere). These days, it seems like "the cool thing" to dislike Jetman after people revered it for so long. Whether it's true or not, it feels like the newer toku fans are rebelling against the older ones by saying they don't like Jetman, and adhering to that opinion as a point of pride. I think that attitude does a disservice to what the show actually is and to what it represents to the franchise and its fans. Maybe I was unfairly applying the sentiment I've been noticing more and more to your post, Matrix. If so, sorry! Last edited by Kamen Rider Lucha; 01-12-2016 at 09:18 PM.. |
01-12-2016, 09:27 PM | #6717 |
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The dynamic between Vyram and Jetman is literally my favorite part of that show, so obviously YMMV.
Aside from that, I did enjoy the dynamic relationships between all the characters. Obviously the highlight was Gai and Ryu, but the other characters had interesting relationships, especially across the two teams. Gai and Gray seemed to have a lot of respect for each other, even though they were enemies. The tension between Maria and Ryu was also interesting. Then once Tranza showed up, the villain dynamic became a bit more interesting. But all the bickering and everybody getting mad at each other got old really fast.
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01-12-2016, 09:41 PM | #6718 |
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I think Jetman's problem is just that people who enjoy it sell it too much on the few prime factors. Namely, Gai.
So newcomers expecting a Sentai with an aloof cool guy who doesn't always play nice as part of the starting team will only get that in small bursts throughout a 50 episode run, which can leave some dissatisfied. I don't think people are going "Anti-Jetman" to be needlessly contrary, but because expectations were raised to impossible to meet standards by fans who assume everyone can write off the many flaws due to strong positives.
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01-12-2016, 09:50 PM | #6719 |
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Jetman's a pretty good sentai, but I don't rate it as high as others.
Some of the ideas in the series however were presented very well, like for example Ryu's emotional change through out the series is quite extensive for a kids show let alone sentai, and it has the romance issues all over which makes it feel more mature in a sense. But they did have some great episodes where the villains and heroes would power over each other, and some very interesting episodes. The Teddy Bear one and the Poker one with Gai and Grey are some of my favorite Sentai Episodes, and the humanity feeling of most of the villains was a great idea. But sometimes I felt some episodes got kinda boring, such as the Tomato King episode which I really don't like and the scientist with Hiryuu/ChangeDragon's actor wasn't that good. But it really does feel like a blend of drama, Super Sentai and emotion into one. It also has one of the more emotional endings in a series. I think the two series after which used similar ideas(Megaranger, Abaranger) are better however. Well in Abaranger's case the villains are not even close to Jetman's goodness, but there are other things I like better. |
01-12-2016, 10:01 PM | #6720 |
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Been catching Ohranger for the first serious time this week. Up to episode 5 and really loving it so far. I know it takes a bit of a dive at the halfway point, but I really really do like it right now. It feels very original to me. While I know it's happened previously that shows have waited to fully introduce the main mecha, I appreciate that Ohranger hasn't even touched mecha for 5 episodes. Allowing you to see how badass the team can be against giant enemies on foot. Very good stuff.
It's nice to finally see more of this show than just clips wihtout subs for once. I'm glad I waited for the series to be finished before starting. I can power through all of it in one go.
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