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09-24-2020, 03:40 PM | #121 |
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Ok I'll clarify a few things:
1. Mado items don't just get passed on randomly between knights- just like Zaruba will always be in the hands of the golden knight, jiruba (silva in the LA entries) will always be passed on to the silver knight zorro/zero- both are right by the way 2. The Golden knight does have a horse- called Gouten- a golden knight acquires the right to use him after passing a trial that becomes available after a golden knight slays 100 horrors (we to this day have no idea if the conditions for other knights are the same though) which for unknown reasons was never included in any of the anime entries 3. Octavia did not become a horror- she simply donned a madou armor- think of it as the prototype to makai knight armor Quote:
Gosei pretty much hit the nail on the head with all the answers basically. Though I do think we see Gouten and I think Gaia's steed... possibly in the movie? It's been a while since I saw it but I seem to recall more horses than the usual ones.
Also yeah Zorro/Zero, both function similarly to where you can kinda just swap their names both being Silver Knights. But are still very different from each other in regards to a few key features. Been a bit since I checked in, wow we're pretty close to the end. Can't wait to see how that goes.
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09-24-2020, 06:10 PM | #122 |
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Hmm, interesting. So is Zero unique to the LA show and Zorro to the anime? Or do both coexist at any given point. Having re-listened to a few lines from past episodes, Silver in this show is definitely "Zorro" which is still weird to me. Like, maybe they're were just trying to reference the pop culture Zorro when choosing the name?
But yeah, Zero is unique to LA, Zorro is basically his anime counterpart but also different enough. The two don't coexist at any given point. The only armor that shows up in both LA and Anime is the Garo Armor. |
09-25-2020, 05:35 AM | #123 |
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Gosei pretty much hit the nail on the head with all the answers basically. Though I do think we see Gouten and I think Gaia's steed... possibly in the movie? It's been a while since I saw it but I seem to recall more horses than the usual ones.
Also yeah Zorro/Zero, both function similarly to where you can kinda just swap their names both being Silver Knights. But are still very different from each other in regards to a few key features. Been a bit since I checked in, wow we're pretty close to the end. Can't wait to see how that goes. Also don't count to much on mado armor- it has a pretty serious flaw you'll find out about soon enough
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09-25-2020, 08:17 AM | #124 |
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Zorro is definitely meant to be the anime Zero but the two are entirely different Knights. Especially since Zorro has the cool chain stuff that Zero can't even do. |
09-25-2020, 08:52 AM | #125 |
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Episode XXIII: Doom Alot happened in this episode. Some good, some bad. And I mean that in more ways than one. What I'm basically getting at is I have some mixed feelings on this episode. As such, I'm gonna try something a little different on the write-up for this one. I'm basically gonna do a good-cop-bad-cop type deal. Where I'll first talk about a negative, and then try to follow-up with a positive. I do wanna overall try to end things on a positive note, afterall. Hope this ends up working out and that you all can see where I'm coming from when it comes to my analysis, and maybe see what exactly are the types of things that stand out me when it comes to shows like this. With that out of the way, let's begin. Bad Thing: They reminded me that Emma and Leon are a thing. I cannot stand when two characters are forced into a relationship solely out of the fact they happen to be the lead man and lead woman in a story, and as such, they obviously need to end up together. Emma and Leon showed absolutely no romantic chemistry up to this point, which overall makes the relationship ring hollow. Heck, with this scene, you can't even argue that the earlier forced sex scene between them was just something born out of Emma being drunk and Leon needing a way to vent his feelings. No, we are honestly expected to believe that Emma and Leon are truly in love, meant to be, and yet their relationship has no defining values outside of the fact that they find eachother physically attractive. It's completely shallow. Contrast with the relationship between German and Ximena. The entirety of German's' arc was about actually opening his heart up. On the outside he's cheery and full of life, but via his actions throughout the show we learn that he actually has no self-respect nor keeps attachments because he's essentially resigned himself to die due to his duty as a Knight ontop of what happened to Anna and Bernardo(which is a subplot that went nowhere, by the way). His worldview is challenged the moment he meets Ximena. Not only does Ximena show him genuine care and compassion, German can't bring himself to treat her like he had a ton of other girls beforehand. Their relationship grows organically and actual, genuine, care and love blooms between them over their time together. The sex scene between them is in turn not hollow because it's something born out of a greater purpose, and infact closes German's' arc by giving him something more to live and fight for(the revelation of what's happened to him by the midpoint of this episode not withstanding). Meanwhile, Leon and Emma? They worked together, therefore they must be together. TOTALLY ON THE SAME LEVEL. In a meta context, things like this also tick me off because it gives off and perpetuates the idea that men and women can't simply be friends. As a male who has a handful of female friends of whom I've never had any sexual attraction towards, this idea is nonsense, and even ignoring the real world implications, only makes for very forced storytelling. Which is ALSO another huge mark down because this is a show where the character writing and interactions have otherwise been, for the most part, the biggest strength that the story has had. It really does alot of drag the narrative down and I don't like it. Hope I made myself myself clear on that rant. I could go on, but I won't. Good thing: The fight scenes were excellent. The biggest highlight being Octavia in her new "Maju Armor" against Alfonso and Emma. I especially loved the bit where Alfonso and Octavia clash on the spinning girder mid-air. Made for a scene that was really dynamic and like many moments before it, showed the advantage that animation has over anything live-action. Don't get me wrong, I love practical effects, I am a Toku fan afterall, but when you can pull this off and it's done well? Man does it show, and it's another reason why I don't get why alot of Toku fans immediately turn their noses up at anime. Bad thing: They brought back the teleporter. I was willing to let the teleporter thing go on sheer coolness factor last time because I figured it was a one-off thing that they did just to be cool and that it'd be gone afterwards. However, now that they've brought it back as a legitimate in-universe constant, I have questions I now have to ask. First off, how and when did Emma actually manage to steal that cross? We never see her do it(that I can recall), and it's not like she'd've had a ton of time to do so anyway. Thus her having it in the first place feels like a total asspull. And while the result is a pretty cool fight scene in a trainyard, it comes at the expense of making any sort of sense. Even if we go by the assumption that the trainyard was an illusion, that doesn't account for things like the very clear fact that it physically exists. And yet again, it only raises so many questions in terms of both this universe and its characters. The biggest one being; If Mandosa has multiple teleporters that can lead to other worlds, pocket dimensions, or time travel, how in the world could this guy have ever been stopped outside of him being uncharacteristically dumb? Even if you say he had to stay in the caverns below the castle to revive Anima, he still could've easily just laid dozens of teleporter traps that'd keep literally everyone far away from him. The one that lead to modern day Tokyo clearly wasn't the only one he had, and the implication given his backstory is that he could've made many more. Which also raises the question of if Makai Alchemists can just make these things in general and that just spirals into a whole 'nother discussion that I don't wanna think about. Good thing: Tons of really cool moments This is essentially what this episode lives on. I already went on about how the action scenes were on point this episode, so no need to go into detail there. But there were a bunch of other small touches that I really did appreciate. For example, the sceenshot above where Alfonso personally repels the entire Watchog Center? That was really cool! The dub started pronouncing Jiruba's' name properly? Also cool! German's' blades sticking around to aid the party even after he's passed? Also really cool! Octavia having a shotgun leg despite this taking place in like the 1600s or whatever? Hilariously out of nowhere, but also cool! Garm actually meaning what she said about letting Anima free on purpose? GOOD! I have one less thing to be disappointed about! Ximena rushing to aid the townsfolk who are under attack? Hell yeah! Things like this are what kept the episode together for me. Good show! And... I think that's about all I have to say on this one. Hope you all can see where I'm coming from here. But hey, if you disagree, that's cool. I'm open to seeing an alternate perspective. Two episodes and the movie left to go!
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09-25-2020, 09:54 AM | #126 |
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Wow, you're almost done with the series! That only leaves you with the finale, the ova and the film
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09-25-2020, 11:19 AM | #127 |
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I see where your coming from on these things, admittedly the pocket dimension that looks like a modern city I just kinda dismissed and glossed over like "Whoa that's trippy and cool" and just treated it as a set piece.
I usually don't think too in depth with things I'll be honest. With Leon and Emma, yeah I'm pretty meh on them I'll be real. Granted, it doesn't really feel like a big, big deal relationship. Just two people who lost their lovers trying to cope with like, emotions, and stuff. Even then I'm pretty meh on it. That being said, would you believe despite this stunt, Garm isn't the worst Watchdog in the Franchise's history? Because despite the threat level of just deciding to nuke a Kingdom to get rid of a Super Horror, there is still one that is way, way worse than Garm. |
09-25-2020, 12:37 PM | #128 |
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I see where your coming from on these things, admittedly the pocket dimension that looks like a modern city I just kinda dismissed and glossed over like "Whoa that's trippy and cool" and just treated it as a set piece.
I usually don't think too in depth with things I'll be honest. With Leon and Emma, yeah I'm pretty meh on them I'll be real. Granted, it doesn't really feel like a big, big deal relationship. Just two people who lost their lovers trying to cope with like, emotions, and stuff. Even then I'm pretty meh on it. That being said, would you believe despite this stunt, Garm isn't the worst Watchdog in the Franchise's history? Because despite the threat level of just deciding to nuke a Kingdom to get rid of a Super Horror, there is still one that is way, way worse than Garm. And man, that comment on Garm scares me. And makes me wonder why most Knights even follow orders from the Watchdogs? Yeesh. Guess I'll find out if I ever get into the LA show.
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09-25-2020, 01:12 PM | #129 |
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While it was never fully explained, not all knights serve under watchdogs, and with the ones that do it's heavily implied that they don't have much of a choice in the matter
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09-25-2020, 01:19 PM | #130 |
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And some series that branch out from the main timeline have it to where there are High Ranking Priests that take the place of the Watchdogs.
But despite what I say, not all Watchdogs are bad, some are insufferable and the Knights just have to deal with that, but other than like a few bad eggs, they're relatively alright. |
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