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03-19-2022, 09:53 PM | #401 |
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A bit off topic, but the statement kind of reminds me of an alleged cut joke/dialog I heard about the 2017 PR movie:
- There was (allegedly) supposed to be a scene where Zack initially wants to pilot the Pterodactyl Zord because it's described as the high speed flying one, but he rescinds when it's revealed what color the ranger has to be. |
03-19-2022, 11:33 PM | #402 |
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An article in which Toei Producer Shinichiro Shirakura talks about the series and how it's going against the grain regarding stereotypes.
Decade being pink is brought up. https://tokusatsunetwork.com/2022/03...n-stereotypes/ The original article source: https://thetv.jp/news/detail/1075469/ Quote:
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I'm very relieved by what Shirakura is saying. Was worried a male pink would be an excuse for the show to make homophobic "jokes" about it being weird for a guy to be pink, but between this and Kijibrother's being totally cool about wearing a skirt, I'm glad to see the shows sending such a positive message to kids, even if some people want to act like positive change is big scary politics,.but old harmful stereotypes are somehow completely apolitical
Human Society is becoming more aware and understanding and diverse and accepting. The art will weave in-and-out, with those that do the right thing and reflect the change and those that exist "solely to entertain" and those who genuinely can't accept change. I had the chance to see some former PR actors at a convention and they misinterpreted a question about the original Mighty Morphin' Movie and thought it referred to the 2017 Movie... and stated that it came across as "too political"! I felt as though they were looking at it from one standpoint and effectively missing the main point! Everything is "political" in some form or another! Stories involving war, regardless of the reasoning or background, are "political" in some capacity. Even those "old harmful stereotypes" and "positive change". |
03-20-2022, 01:25 AM | #403 |
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Strictly from a design and aesthetic perspective, I think the color pink and its adjacent hues have been excellent choices for the non-female heroes from Toei that donned it so far. That said, I like Kiji Brother design-wise and as a character. I just love how he's Toei's Leito aka Ultraman Zero host from Geed.
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03-20-2022, 06:30 AM | #404 |
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I'm gonna regret this, but many aspects of sci-fi and pop culture have been "political" or allegorical for generations. However, it's become obvious to me that many NEVER looked at sci-fi in this regard! I've seen 60-somethings who looked at Star Trek: TOS back in its original heyday when the NBC of the '60s had it, but they clearly never got any of the messages or the metaphors and saw it more as an action-adventure series in space made solely to entertain.
Human Society is becoming more aware and understanding and diverse and accepting. The art will weave in-and-out, with those that do the right thing and reflect the change and those that exist "solely to entertain" and those who genuinely can't accept change. I had the chance to see some former PR actors at a convention and they misinterpreted a question about the original Mighty Morphin' Movie and thought it referred to the 2017 Movie... and stated that it came across as "too political"! I felt as though they were looking at it from one standpoint and effectively missing the main point! Everything is "political" in some form or another! Stories involving war, regardless of the reasoning or background, are "political" in some capacity. Even those "old harmful stereotypes" and "positive change". The difference between having politics in stories and progressive politics is that in progressive politics, virtue singling overtakes telling a story. Why do you think entertainment in Japan (games, anime, manga or in this case toku) is gaining a foothold in the west? Because people want entertainment and having a good time and enjoy something, having fun. Not be lectured at and get insulted for not liking something. Plus if you let activists write your stuff, it's gonna be garbage, just like what happened with Star Wars, Star Trek and Marvel Comics. They hire writers that know nothing about, or outright hate, the thing they're writing for, and boy does it show. They have no passion for what they are writing, and that's the key word, passion, plus effort. That's not to say certain in Japan has bad stuff, but at least the focus is on entertainment, not virtue signalling. I'm probably gonna get kicked out for this, but I don't care. I went to toku to get away from the recent western garbage in entertainment, but if they say they're getting influenced by the west, sooner or later it's going to be unwatchable, I will never accept it. Adi?s. |
03-20-2022, 09:23 AM | #405 |
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Can we NOT have this sort of conversation every time I see politics get brought up concerning toku or media? Like I get not wanting hamfisted political messages, and the "everything is political" defense is weak, but it doesn't warrant that sort of reaction.
Though if you type out "I gonna regret this" and type out a multi paragraph post, chances are you SHOULDN'T write it, because it feels like you're only doing it to try and get a rise out of some people. Last edited by MKDremare; 03-20-2022 at 09:28 AM.. |
03-20-2022, 10:08 AM | #406 |
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Oh yeah the old "everything's political" defence.
The difference between having politics in stories and progressive politics is that in progressive politics, virtue singling overtakes telling a story. Why do you think entertainment in Japan (games, anime, manga or in this case toku) is gaining a foothold in the west? Because people want entertainment and having a good time and enjoy something, having fun. Not be lectured at and get insulted for not liking something. Plus if you let activists write your stuff, it's gonna be garbage, just like what happened with Star Wars, Star Trek and Marvel Comics. They hire writers that know nothing about, or outright hate, the thing they're writing for, and boy does it show. They have no passion for what they are writing, and that's the key word, passion, plus effort. That's not to say certain in Japan has bad stuff, but at least the focus is on entertainment, not virtue signalling. I'm probably gonna get kicked out for this, but I don't care. I went to toku to get away from the recent western garbage in entertainment, but if they say they're getting influenced by the west, sooner or later it's going to be unwatchable, I will never accept it. Adi?s. |
03-20-2022, 10:49 AM | #407 |
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Oh yeah the old "everything's political" defence.
The difference between having politics in stories and progressive politics is that in progressive politics, virtue singling overtakes telling a story. Why do you think entertainment in Japan (games, anime, manga or in this case toku) is gaining a foothold in the west? Because people want entertainment and having a good time and enjoy something, having fun. Not be lectured at and get insulted for not liking something. Plus if you let activists write your stuff, it's gonna be garbage, just like what happened with Star Wars, Star Trek and Marvel Comics. They hire writers that know nothing about, or outright hate, the thing they're writing for, and boy does it show. They have no passion for what they are writing, and that's the key word, passion, plus effort. That's not to say certain in Japan has bad stuff, but at least the focus is on entertainment, not virtue signalling. I'm probably gonna get kicked out for this, but I don't care. I went to toku to get away from the recent western garbage in entertainment, but if they say they're getting influenced by the west, sooner or later it's going to be unwatchable, I will never accept it. Adi?s.
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03-20-2022, 11:12 AM | #408 |
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Oh yeah the old "everything's political" defence.
The difference between having politics in stories and progressive politics is that in progressive politics, virtue singling overtakes telling a story. Why do you think entertainment in Japan (games, anime, manga or in this case toku) is gaining a foothold in the west? Because people want entertainment and having a good time and enjoy something, having fun. Not be lectured at and get insulted for not liking something. Plus if you let activists write your stuff, it's gonna be garbage, just like what happened with Star Wars, Star Trek and Marvel Comics. They hire writers that know nothing about, or outright hate, the thing they're writing for, and boy does it show. They have no passion for what they are writing, and that's the key word, passion, plus effort. That's not to say certain in Japan has bad stuff, but at least the focus is on entertainment, not virtue signalling. I'm probably gonna get kicked out for this, but I don't care. I went to toku to get away from the recent western garbage in entertainment, but if they say they're getting influenced by the west, sooner or later it's going to be unwatchable, I will never accept it. Adi?s.
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03-20-2022, 02:38 PM | #409 |
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Yeah we should harken back to the past where Tokusatsu featured Nazis having the shit beat out of them and it being a good thing. Wait.... Gobusters yeah that wasn't political. No wait. Nuclear reactor allegory. Uhhhh.... Kamen Rider Build? No.
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03-20-2022, 08:07 PM | #410 |
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At what point was I being homophobic? Jumping the gun I see. Not just me, a large swath of people are sick of hamfisted virtue signalling. Quote:
You realize progressive ideas aren't purely a thing of the west, yes? Neither Inoue nor Shirakura are the sort to go against their own ideas in an attempt to appeal to a market that can't even legally watch the show. The world as a whole is changing, and people like you who are offended by the idea of a little boy liking pink are thankfully becoming a thing of the past
Yeah, but they way it was worded makes it seem like a virtue signal. People hate virtue signalling, just don't say anything, let the show speak for itself Quote:
I'd be a lot better than the progressive crap the west is pumping out that's for sure, smartass. |
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