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03-24-2023, 09:07 PM | #1191 |
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The point of Trio Of Deep Sin as a movie, though, is that... like, it is okay if things change as you grow up; more than that, they ARE going to change. When they change, it's important to be grateful for how things were before, and not give into sadness or anger that they've changed. If you allow for change to happen, you can find new friends, new experiences. If you cling to a past that was never going to stay, you're just robbing yourself of all the other things in the world.
It's okay to be sad about this stuff. (Trio of Deep Sin is an enormously, gloriously sad movie.) It's okay to mourn a little, even. But losing yourself to those emotions is never going to help you. Friendships aren't ever gone, even if friends move on. You're still the same person that was befriended and befriended others, and you owe it to the world to find happiness.
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03-24-2023, 09:31 PM | #1192 |
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KAMEN RIDER SABER SPIN-OFF: SABELA AND DURANDAL
Without previously wanting to wade into the discourse around how various writers and directors portray the relationship between Reika and Ryoga, it’s maybe worth pointing out that when I saw the promotional imagery for this special – months before I watched Saber and had any context for these characters – I assumed Sabela and Durandal were a romantic couple that was finally tying the knot in a piece of post-show storytelling. All of that is to say that this show 100% knows how it’s portraying these two characters, and yet I really admired how seriously they took this slightly dumb story about Reika getting married to someone who is not her brother, and turned it into a respectful exploration of Reika and Ryoga that tries to reframe their relationship into something healthy and normal… before kind of basically making them a couple at the end, I guess, sort of, if you want to read it that way. Like, Ryoga raised his sister, and it kind of permanently messed up their dynamic. She saw him as an idealized man, and he saw her as a precious, fragile innocent. Their adult lives are just deeper and weirder versions of that relationship, and it’s keeping the two of them in a toxic orbit. Ryoga’s kind of an overbearing asshole, because he’s trying to be a father and coworker, rather than a brother. Reika’s a jealous psycho, because her whole world was always her brother, and any threat to that status quo is a threat to her emotional stability. They don’t relate to each other as people, but as totems to protect and control. So, yeah, a movie where the two of them have to reexamine the ways they each dehumanize the other, and how that collectively inhibits Reika’s personal growth? Big fan of that! Rui as a character is nothing to talk about. (Him immediately copping to Ryoga’s accusation was hysterical, like he saw how many minutes were left in the story and thought against prolonging the mystery into another scene.) The overall plot doesn’t really make any sense. (I don’t know why the wedding ruse was necessary, or why Rui needed Reika’s sword.) But the emphasis on trying to rework a less-than-ideal childhood for Reika into something supportive without being stifling? I like that choice! And then the end is Reika being recognized as a woman by her brother, at which point they partner up as equals and also go out shopping together and… and I start to wonder if maybe Reika and Ryoga did get married in this, like I assumed a few months ago? There wasn’t even an officiant at Rui and Reika’s ceremony (or any guests!), so maybe the Shindais figured What The Hell and just decided it for themselves? It’s.. this is a movie that knowingly plays with a certain iconography – Durandal pulling a wedding dress-clad Reika by the arm as the quarry explodes around them – in order to both subvert it and adhere to it, and that bothers me more than if they’d’ve picked either lane. It’s like they’re laughing at the audience, and then going You Guys Got A Point Though. I thought this movie was 85% smart and heartfelt, but then 15% gross and juvenile. I was on this movie’s side, and then it felt like they had to get one more dumb wink in at the audience. Weird installment, this one. Mostly clever, with a whole bunch of funny cameos (Ren! Ogami! Sora! Mrs Ogami! MAGINE, UNEXPECTEDLY!), that manages to somehow both live up and live down to whatever you thought of these two characters. Tough bullseye to hit, but this team worked hard to hit it. Kudos?
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03-24-2023, 10:31 PM | #1193 |
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I don't have much to say about this special other than I enjoyed it for the most part.
It gave us two important things. Durendal utilizing Kaiji as an actual sword for a decent period of time. And Amanojaku. Like... I did not expect us to get a new Megid, and a new big book Megid at that, this long after Saber ended? And he somehow came at the right time because his existence basically allows me to fill a hole I was fairly iffy about in my story now that I know he exists. It's the little things really. |
03-24-2023, 10:35 PM | #1194 |
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And Amanojaku. Like... I did not expect us to get a new Megid, and a new big book Megid at that, this long after Saber ended? And he somehow came at the right time because his existence basically allows me to fill a hole I was fairly iffy about in my story now that I know he exists.
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03-25-2023, 01:44 AM | #1195 |
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I don't find the scene near the end where Reika & Ryoga are shopping as anything of sorts like romance or marriage.
Rather I see the scene as Reika finally getting indulge & get something normal for once outside of her duties as a swordswomen. And getting to share it with her brother who argubably is even more sheltered than she is.
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03-25-2023, 03:59 AM | #1196 |
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I mostly found this one a bit pointless and also passing an extremely low bar. Like, wow, accepting your one female rider can make her own choices and be her own person? That’s crazy! Kinda… feels like that’s the very least that should have been in the show, and now you’ve done it it just feels really redundant.
Like, when it happened with Kanon in Specter X Blades it felt right because in Ghost she was both a background character and a child; so her becoming a Rider feels like her growing into her own in a natural way. This just feels patronising, almost?
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03-25-2023, 04:04 AM | #1197 |
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What was it with TTFC and younger sisters marrying undesirable matches last year? (Though this one is less kinky)
Talking of Zenkaiger, as a nod to Angela’s love of Magine, the latter’s VA appears here as the servant that finds herself being gushed over. Also Amanojaku. At two points that year, I’d coincidentally used it as the basis for a monster in two different fics (though both of them are different from each other, and hew more closer to the mythical version, which has the power to bring out people’s darker impulses) |
03-25-2023, 04:34 AM | #1198 |
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Yes, like many things in Saber, this special is open to interpretation. For me, this is like the final stage of Reika growing up and stopping the idealization of her brother. First, it was she who dealt the decisive blow to the sage, then the moment came when she not only contradicts Ryoga twice, which never happened in the series, but also directly declares that she wants to be equal with him. Also here is the development of Ryoga, for he finally understands that he should not dispose of his sister's life. Yes, and in a good way he should not be in charge at all, because he has no leader. In a word, for such a short film, the scriptwriters put a lot of context into it.
Also, a lot has been done in terms of context. Ren, Ogami with his family, Magine, Reika changed more outfits than in the entire show. And it?s also worth noting how well they picked up her children?s version: Of course, it's very tempting that Rui appears out of nowhere, coming from an important Sword Logos family that somehow missed all the events of the main show. I think if he even flashed or mentioned earlier, it would have worked much better for the lore of the series. For example, one could make him the blacksmith of the South Base or the unfortunate Espada mentioned earlier. This would give more weight to the character and explain his desire for the sword. All in all, it was a good farewell to my favorite show. However, it is perceived more as a see you soon, because there are many more stories to tell with the lore and characters of Saber. Last edited by Mesnick; 03-25-2023 at 04:37 AM.. |
03-25-2023, 06:23 AM | #1199 |
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I'm mostly just happy Angela Mei got to meet her daughter('s voice actor) again.
Beyond that, this isn't a special that left any particular impact or blew away my expectations or anything like that, but of course I was happy to have a new Saber thing pretty much out of nowhere.
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03-25-2023, 09:14 AM | #1200 |
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KAMEN RIDER SABER SPIN-OFF: SABELA AND DURANDAL
Like, Ryoga raised his sister, and it kind of permanently messed up their dynamic. She saw him as an idealized man, and he saw her as a precious, fragile innocent. Their adult lives are just deeper and weirder versions of that relationship, and it?s keeping the two of them in a toxic orbit. Ryoga?s kind of an overbearing asshole, because he?s trying to be a father and coworker, rather than a brother. Reika?s a jealous psycho, because her whole world was always her brother, and any threat to that status quo is a threat to her emotional stability. They don?t relate to each other as people, but as totems to protect and control. So yeah, as Mesnick and I have been subtly talking about, this spin-off is arguably where Reika becomes something resembling a sympathetic character. Like, the marriage interview, where Rui tells her he can see through her feign and she starts to open up to him, I'm pretty sure that's the first normal conversation Reika's ever had with a human being other than Ryouga. I like how Ryouga acknowledges that his presence has inadvertently made Reika dependent on him to an unhealthy level and he tries to be the responsible big brother by letting her go for her own good. It also has a nice moral about marriage, how it's a truly wonderful thing that can make a lot of people happy, but how it's also unwise to rush in to it or to do it for anyone else's sake. Reika wanted to marry Rui for Ryouga's sake, but then they talked and she wanted to marry Rui for herself. Too bad Rui turned out to be evil, but it wasn't a total loss, as that experience made the Shindais' bond stronger while hopefully making Reika less of an abusive sadist. I want to give her a chance. Quote:
What was it with TTFC and younger sisters marrying undesirable matches last year? (Though this one is less kinky)
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