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11-27-2018, 02:40 AM | #11 |
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A decent episode. If anything, it was a fun change of pace from the standard episode format. The dual Sougo's made for some good comedy. Also, the way they did the body double was very convincing this time. Some really good effects. The cinematography was stand-out in this episode too. The split-screen used during the Another Gaim fight was impressive.
Not much for Kouta unfortunately but I liked what we got of him (RIP Fruit Jesus). And they nailed Kaito and it was cool to see him "test" Geiz, which was very in-character. The Gaim references were cool, with the Sakura Hurricane effects used for Geiz's escape, and the Suika Arms Ridewatch was a welcome surprise. The visual gag they did with it appearing large at first only to be tiny (kodama) was absolutely hilarious. Gaim armour is a beast and I love the fighting style. The finisher was absolutely brutal, I was a little shocked that they showed that. Looks like things are taking a turn and next week we get two returning legends in "Ore wa Tenkuji Takeru" Ghost and Decade so I am very excited for that. .5 was legendary as usual. Cast acting out of character, doing weird faux interviews. Seeing Schwarz like that was pretty off-putting lol. |
11-29-2018, 10:11 PM | #12 |
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Loved the episode.
Kami Gaim came across clearer now in how he was motivating and teaching Sougo. The ending on that was interesting too from the delay in being erased. So it does come across as very much a teaching moment to Sougo about having faith in the abilities of others. And now formally the time loop is broken. They've managed to successfully begin to alter the future. Which should set Woz into his own story path potentially that should be interesting as we're nearing the breaking of the Sebastian and Ciel angle. Loved how Tsukuyomi was more contemptuous towards Woz too. Also interesting now how Woz revealed the original timeline at some point had both removed at different times and how this was originally the point Geiz was gone at. Loved that extra emphasis of "letting this one go for someone else's sake" which is very fitting for Gaim BTS-wise. Showing they're still working in BTS stuff when it fits for extra nods. Makes me curious what Tsukuyomi's original fate was, which is likely changed now too since events will unfold differently now that Geiz is still around. Overall, really enjoyed these episodes and all the growth it yielded, as well as the character foreshadowing, including how Tsukuyomi is seeing that Sougo is more than what his future version was. Interesting now at how we're seeing the beginning of the rewritten future too. Giving us that emphasis of time changing like we see in BTTF 2 and 3 with the photo, newspapers, and fax. Especially love the emphasis of how Sougo himself is who broke it. Overall really looking forward to how more develops out. Especially loved the tongue in cheek joke with melon arms. The biggest unwieldly rider suit gear reduced to now one of the smallest, but also in such a cute charming way. Really love how much deep thought is going into the episodes and the character conveyance. It has charm, but also still feels very pertinent to the story it's trying to convey and the growth of each. Sougo is showing some rather interesting hidden intelligence too in how he knows how people act and react. Predicting Woz to a T. And the added interesting reveal of how much more of a threat the time jackers really are with their own abilities and access of rider series skills themselves outside of gear too. Extra interesting in how Woz and them interact, and how that may grow too. And makes it all the more curious how his future storylines are going to progress as he soon becomes the one fighting to maintain the future against their changes potentially. These two episodes really begin setting up a fresh start, but also are the culmination of the build up to now, including how Sougo is getting attached to Geiz and Tsukuyomi, and how that's going to impact the future more now. How much Sougo's loyalty to his friends are what cause him to force himself to alter time itself. That's deep, but not overtly forcefully so in conveyance with how it's subtle played. That's simply what friends do for each other. That's what caring means. But that also means having faith in each other's strength too, but to also give them a way to fight forward and help, but to still let them do it on their own. Really love how much 'other' material they've been working in too. Toei's really got a knack for using that in non-insulting but very pertinent ways, and it is part of Heisei history to the series itself and each's references. Major respect to them for how they've managed to do that in very heartwarming but also respectful ways. Last edited by Librarian; 11-30-2018 at 03:31 AM.. |
11-29-2018, 10:25 PM | #13 |
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Hey, everyone, guess what time it is!
Time for me to have a new favorite... wait, no, I used that one last week. I mean, two-parters are basically one big episode anyway, right? At any rate, this episode straight up rules, and as much as I empathize with the people who aren't feeling Zi-O, I think you have to have a heart made out of stone not to enjoy this one at least a little bit. It's just got everything you could ask for. The characters are nicely developed, the direction is freakin' stellar, and to top it all off, we get one of the most laugh-out-loud hilarious episodes of Kamen Rider out there. Just about every aspect of it felt way more inspired than usual to me. There are still aspects worth criticizing, of course. You could probably argue Geiz's character arc is going in circles pretty convincingly. I think Kaito might've been mixing up 強さ and 力, but Urobuchi was the only writer who ever truly "got" Kaito anyway, so I'm not going to hold that against the episode too much. Although considering Kento Shimoyama did a better job than most in Go-Rider, it's actually a bit unfortunate these episodes didn't go to him. Kouta drew the short straw in terms of screen-time, but he did make the scenes he got count well enough. Aside from that though, I can't think of much to complain about. I was a little too busy enjoying the wacky time travel antics to really worry about anything else. The preview for next week has got me extremely excited, given my well documented love of Ghost, and slightly less well documented love of Tsukasa, so I can only hope Zi-O keeps this momentum going, because it really is just getting better and better lately. EDIT: Actually, never mind that point about Kaito. I mean, I still would've liked to see Shimoyama's version of this, but after going back over his scenes, I've concluded I was the one mixing up words. Well, me AND Over-Time, but that's beside the point. Also, I forgot to mention this episode involved a Kamen Rider actually riding a bike in a climactic moment! Apparently I was so satisfied with this episode it didn't even stick out as any cooler than all the other stuff going on.
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11-29-2018, 11:24 PM | #14 |
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Lame. So Geiz's resolve is just to do what he did from the start?
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11-30-2018, 12:54 AM | #15 |
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I will say this was an enjoyable set of episodes. It seems, even in little actions, the timeline has begun to change.
Glad to see God Kouta was able to influence that much just by getting Sougo to realize Geiz should try and escape using his own skills instead of being helped. I also like how Geiz decided to trust Sougo despite being on thin ice with him. He must have realized there was at least a small chance that Sougo was telling the truth and took that gamble head on. Now it's time to wait and see the fallout of that choice. Especially considering Woz is shocked about something concerning Geiz at the end. Also the Kodama Suika Arms was great, a tiny robot buddy. I also got some flashbacks of Decade when the Final Form Ride was used on Den-O. I already like it more than the Taka Watchroid. Though it's clear the Faiz Phone X has the most function out of the three gadgets. |
11-30-2018, 01:40 AM | #16 |
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But that's what makes it interesting. He's internally fighting against how much Sougo is growing on him. How Sougo has been reaching out to him. Even Sougo going so far as saying "I need you to stop me if I do turn into Oma." Geiz isn't saying it, he's keeping that gruff exterior, but he's warming up to Sougo. He brought the chicken dinner home. He remembered. He has a home to provide for. He has a home to protect and look out for. Winner winner, chicken dinner. xD He's not saying it, and it's part of his growing internal conflict that's reaching resolution, but Geiz is changing, even if it's subtle. Even if the other characters are letting him play it up as he hasn't changed, but he really kind of has. He was tempted, and instead, he came back and formally made himself part of the family though he's saying otherwise in his reasoning. But hey, he still has his pride, and doesn't want to admit it, but he has a place he belongs now that's watching out for him, and needs him to watch out for them. That's what I love about this show. It's true to the personas, and subtle character development. Not overt and arm waving in the air to say "look at me I've changed" but gradual and very human. He might be saying "I'm watching you and will stop you" but his actions are saying, "this is my family now, and I will protect it from all inside and outside threats." And Sougo accepts Geiz for that. Sees what he's saying, but also gets the undertone, that "glad to have you home now." Geiz is so the tsundere of the series. Has a prickly exterior, but you know he's growing fond of them whether he'll admit it or not. That's another thing I really love about this series. The gradual trope inversions. This show for what it is held to itself, has so much amazing that's easily overlooked because of how subtle played it is, but it's that subtlety that makes it so very real and fun. It's more than skin deep, feels refreshing in that regard. This episode especially gave us insight into that with how it peeled back the orange. This is also why Faiz armor is his. He's so Takumi in many ways. Quote:
There's a lot more to Geiz being trapped in Helheim that wasn't directly conveyed(it is still a kid's show!), but how Sougo was attempting to rewrite time that Another Gaim never happened to save Geiz, suggests there was more to it than simply pulling him out of helheim. Because as we saw with the victims getting free at the end, all it took to free Geiz was to defeat another Gaim. But in that path, Geiz wouldn't be the same and would have been ridden with self-doubt in how Sougo saved him and effectively would have become useless with little will left to strive forward. (We get this in the side remarks at Geiz while in Helheim. His "not strong enough to fight fate" and the rest of his literal self-doubts being given voice by an outsider watching him. Stuff that was making his inner narrative manifest outwardly to convey it to the audience.) But instead, saving himself first, he now has renewed will in his own abilities and will continue to fight for and change the future. There's a lot of extra material in those 3 missing days we didn't see, that 3 days later Sougo didn't want present day Sougo to experience either. That Geiz had to save himself first before they could defeat Another Gaim. Which goes back to Sougo's ability to read people and personalities as we've seen repeatedly conveyed. He's a little bit of a manipulator in that way, but the implementation of it is really interesting. He's not manipulating to control or impose his will, but trying to use it in ways to best help all he can and who he can. He's pushing dominoes but doing so in cautious ways to try and make things better. Present day Sougo picked up on this really quick, they were in sync. He knows himself too well of course. Woz notes this himself. That Geiz wasn't part of Oma's rise. That Geiz is inconsequential and useless to Zi-O. But now that's changed as Geiz has conquered his self-doubts because of a little help from his friends believing in him and showing him that they do. Last edited by Librarian; 11-30-2018 at 02:20 PM.. |
11-30-2018, 01:51 AM | #17 |
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Since the time line has been altered, I would like to see what happened in the original timeline that made Sougo (if he truly is oma zi-o) go down the other path.
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11-30-2018, 11:33 AM | #18 |
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What did you expect, Geiz is vocally hard headed like that.
But that's what makes it interesting. He's internally fighting against how much Sougo is growing on him. How Sougo has been reaching out to him. Even Sougo going so far as saying "I need you to stop me if I do turn into Oma." Geiz isn't saying it, he's keeping that gruff exterior, but he's warming up to Sougo. He brought the chicken dinner home. He remembered. He has a home to provide for. He has a home to protect and look out for. Winner winner, chicken dinner. xD He's not saying it, and it's part of his growing internal conflict that's reaching resolution, but Geiz is changing, even if it's subtle. Even if the other characters are letting him play it up as he hasn't changed, but he really kind of has. He was tempted, and instead, he came back and formally made himself part of the family though he's saying otherwise in his reasoning. But hey, he still has his pride, and doesn't want to admit it, but he has a place he belongs now that's watching out for him, and needs him to watch out for them. That's what I love about this show. It's true to the personas, and subtle character development. Not overt and arm waving in the air to say "look at me I've changed" but gradual and very human. He might be saying "I'm watching you and will stop you" but his actions are saying, "this is my family now, and I will protect it from all inside and outside threats." And Sougo accepts Geiz for that. Sees what he's saying, but also gets the undertone, that "glad to have you home now." Geiz is so the tsundere of the series. Has a prickly exterior, but you know he's growing fond of them whether he'll admit it or not. That's another thing I really love about this series. The gradual trope inversions. This show for what it is held to itself, has so much amazing that's easily overlooked because of how subtle played it is, but it's that subtlety that makes it so very real and fun. It's more than skin deep, feels refreshing in that regard. This episode especially gave us insight into that with how it peeled back the orange. This is also why Faiz armor is his. He's so Takumi in many ways. But he was helped. What Sougo was going to do was save him outright and do the work for Geiz to bring him back. What Kouta pushed was to give Geiz the means and ambition to find a way, and give him a reason to find a way, something to fight for himself. That was the mistake in the previous loop that caused the loss. Sougo never gave Geiz the help and instead was going to force his way in an attempt to save Geiz, and in the end Geiz was lost from that(which considering Geiz's inherent pride and ego, seems about right). But in helping him save himself, Geiz is now an ally that's come home and the growing bonds have altered time itself. Because sometimes a little help can go a long way in letting someone save themselves and trusting in their own abilities. Whereas forcing your way to save them can backfire and has repercussions and consequences that can cause loss and mistrust or create a downward spiral from feeling useless and incapable or powerless. It would cement those self-doubts that manifested. Forcing the saving like Sougo almost did, would have re-enforced the powerlessness that Geiz was caving into in Helheim itself. But that reached out hand, that literal little messenger of help and hope, that fruit of life, lifted Geiz up to do it himself. He wasn't alone, they believed in him to do this. They needed him to succeed and trusted that he would. That push is what he needed, that reminder as he was caving into self-doubt. Which is extra poignant in how it was Melon arms that did it. The fruit you share with family and friends as tradition goes that it's a more communal fruit. There's a lot more to Geiz being trapped in Helheim that wasn't directly conveyed(it is still a kid's show!), but how Sougo was attempting to rewrite time that Another Gaim never happened to save Geiz, suggests there was more to it than simply pulling him out of helheim. Because as we saw with the victims getting free at the end, all it took to free Geiz was to defeat another Gaim. But in that path, Geiz wouldn't be the same and would have been ridden with self-doubt in how Sougo saved him and effectively would have become useless with little will left to strive forward. (We get this in the side remarks at Geiz while in Helheim. His "not strong enough to fight fate" and the rest of his literal self-doubts being given voice by an outsider watching him. Stuff that was making his inner narrative manifest outwardly to convey it to the audience.) But instead, saving himself first, he now has renewed will in his own abilities and will continue to fight for and change the future. There's a lot of extra material in those 3 missing days we didn't see, that 3 days later Sougo didn't want present day Sougo to experience either. That Geiz had to save himself first before they could defeat Another Gaim. Which goes back to Sougo's ability to read people and personalities as we've seen repeatedly conveyed. He's a little bit of a manipulator in that way, but the implementation of it is really interesting. He's not manipulating to control or impose his will, but trying to use it in ways to best help all he can and who he can. He's pushing dominoes but doing so in cautious ways to try and make things better. Present day Sougo picked up on this really quick, they were in sync. He knows himself too well of course. Woz notes this himself. That Geiz wasn't part of Oma's rise. That Geiz is inconsequential and useless to Zi-O. But now that's changed as Geiz has conquered his self-doubts because of a little help from his friends believing in him and showing him that they do. |
11-30-2018, 03:16 PM | #19 |
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What did you expect, Geiz is vocally hard headed like that.
But that's what makes it interesting. He's internally fighting against how much Sougo is growing on him. How Sougo has been reaching out to him. Even Sougo going so far as saying "I need you to stop me if I do turn into Oma." Geiz isn't saying it, he's keeping that gruff exterior, but he's warming up to Sougo. He brought the chicken dinner home. He remembered. He has a home to provide for. He has a home to protect and look out for. Winner winner, chicken dinner. xD He's not saying it, and it's part of his growing internal conflict that's reaching resolution, but Geiz is changing, even if it's subtle. Even if the other characters are letting him play it up as he hasn't changed, but he really kind of has. He was tempted, and instead, he came back and formally made himself part of the family though he's saying otherwise in his reasoning. But hey, he still has his pride, and doesn't want to admit it, but he has a place he belongs now that's watching out for him, and needs him to watch out for them. That's what I love about this show. It's true to the personas, and subtle character development. Not overt and arm waving in the air to say "look at me I've changed" but gradual and very human. He might be saying "I'm watching you and will stop you" but his actions are saying, "this is my family now, and I will protect it from all inside and outside threats." And Sougo accepts Geiz for that. Sees what he's saying, but also gets the undertone, that "glad to have you home now." Geiz is so the tsundere of the series. Has a prickly exterior, but you know he's growing fond of them whether he'll admit it or not. That's another thing I really love about this series. The gradual trope inversions. This show for what it is held to itself, has so much amazing that's easily overlooked because of how subtle played it is, but it's that subtlety that makes it so very real and fun. It's more than skin deep, feels refreshing in that regard. This episode especially gave us insight into that with how it peeled back the orange. This is also why Faiz armor is his. He's so Takumi in many ways. But he was helped. What Sougo was going to do was save him outright and do the work for Geiz to bring him back. What Kouta pushed was to give Geiz the means and ambition to find a way, and give him a reason to find a way, something to fight for himself. That was the mistake in the previous loop that caused the loss. Sougo never gave Geiz the help and instead was going to force his way/will in an attempt to save Geiz, and in the end Geiz was lost from that(which considering Geiz's inherent pride and ego, seems about right). But in helping him save himself, Geiz is now an ally that's come home and the growing bonds have altered time itself. Because sometimes a little help can go a long way in letting someone save themselves and trusting in their own abilities. Whereas forcing your way to save them can backfire and has repercussions and consequences that can cause loss and mistrust or create a downward spiral from feeling useless and incapable or powerless. It would cement those self-doubts that manifested. Forcing the saving like Sougo almost did, would have re-enforced the powerlessness that Geiz was caving into in Helheim itself. But that reached out hand, that literal little messenger of help and hope, that fruit of life, lifted Geiz up to do it himself. He wasn't alone, they believed in him to do this. They needed him to succeed and trusted that he would. That push is what he needed, that reminder as he was caving into self-doubt. Which is extra poignant in how it was Melon arms that did it. The fruit you share with family and friends as tradition goes that it's a more communal fruit. There's a lot more to Geiz being trapped in Helheim that wasn't directly conveyed(it is still a kid's show!), but how Sougo was attempting to rewrite time that Another Gaim never happened to save Geiz, suggests there was more to it than simply pulling him out of helheim. Because as we saw with the victims getting free at the end, all it took to free Geiz was to defeat another Gaim. But in that path, Geiz wouldn't be the same and would have been ridden with self-doubt in how Sougo saved him and effectively would have become useless with little will left to strive forward. (We get this in the side remarks at Geiz while in Helheim. His "not strong enough to fight fate" and the rest of his literal self-doubts being given voice by an outsider watching him. Stuff that was making his inner narrative manifest outwardly to convey it to the audience.) But instead, saving himself first, he now has renewed will in his own abilities and will continue to fight for and change the future. There's a lot of extra material in those 3 missing days we didn't see, that 3 days later Sougo didn't want present day Sougo to experience either. That Geiz had to save himself first before they could defeat Another Gaim. Which goes back to Sougo's ability to read people and personalities as we've seen repeatedly conveyed. He's a little bit of a manipulator in that way, but the implementation of it is really interesting. He's not manipulating to control or impose his will, but trying to use it in ways to best help all he can and who he can. He's pushing dominoes but doing so in cautious ways to try and make things better. Present day Sougo picked up on this really quick, they were in sync. He knows himself too well of course. Woz notes this himself. That Geiz wasn't part of Oma's rise. That Geiz is inconsequential and useless to Zi-O. But now that's changed as Geiz has conquered his self-doubts because of a little help from his friends believing in him and showing him that they do. |
11-30-2018, 06:35 PM | #20 |
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On the 12.5, Woz's winks are straight up awesome. And giving me life. xD
The .5 episodes are getting even more straight up fun with the references and in jokes. I think I'm giving him the credit he deserves. Because he implemented it perfectly and even better than intended. I think you're underestimating how much effort and work goes into these things. Every metaphor and bit there is there for a reason. That's half the fun. Last edited by Librarian; 11-30-2018 at 06:45 PM.. |
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