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01-05-2021, 04:36 AM | #501 |
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I think Kabuto is the one series to give us a whole arc dedicated to teasing the Final Form being obtained. (I don’t count Kuuga and Zi-O, since their whole shows are dedicated to getting stronger anyway). Other than that, I don’t have much to say about the ending. I can say that the video game has a bonus level where you fight Hyper Kabuto with regular Kabuto.
Anyway, next time will be a lot more interesting for me to talk about. |
01-05-2021, 10:52 AM | #502 |
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I don't know if I should do this, but yeah... I want to post this screenshot though... even the subtitle was reversed!
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"KAMEN RIDER KABUTO" - GOD SPEED LOVE
First, man, the director did an amazing job with this movie. Tons of inventive shots, great use of lighting, the dramatic scenes look properly cinematic and emotional (maybe could’ve toned down that gauzy filter), the fight scenes have heft, and there's a constant plussing of the material. Can’t really knock the visuals in this movie. Quote:
Second, there’s a point in the beginning where ZECT and Neo-ZECT are facing off in the desert. Kagami pleads with Yamato to spare Oda and the rest of Neo-ZECT, since the real fight is against the Worms. And Yamato agrees. He bows down to Oda, begs him to come back to ZECT, offers to suffer any humiliation. And then Oda just kicks him and says something stupid about freedom (stay positive, stay positive, you’ll get a chance to be negative, just finish this last positive paragraph, you can do this) but the conception of Yamato here, I thought, was pretty interesting. I liked that he seemed to be someone who’d jump at the chance to bolster his forces, who didn’t let a dispute over ideology stand in the way of defeating a greater enemy. That’s a cool idea, even if it’s only for part of a scene. That was neat.
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The rest of the movie was probably the worst Kamen Rider thing I’ve ever experienced. It’s more awful, for a more sustained time, than anything I’ve ever seen from this franchise. The only delight it brought me was when I was howling in laughter at certain scenes (everyone humming God Bless America as Hiyori died of Narratively Convenient Illness, while wearing her wedding dress, was definitely in So Bad It’s Good territory), as well as the aforementioned directing. It’s astonishingly bad, a misfire on every single narrative level.
The most egregious sin is that there’s basically nothing from the Kabuto series in this movie. Some suits, sure (hope no one wanted to see Sasword’s suit outside of a brief shot from a big battle scene), but none of the themes or characters or warmth or humor or intelligence. Everything in it is at best a pointless deviation, and at worst a fundamental misinterpretation of what worked from the series. Quote:
Like, what the hell was this even about? Gone are the themes of humility, of teamwork, of empathy. Instead, there’s just this bland nationalism, two men dedicating themselves to saving a weak lady, and every character from the show saying some recognizable catchphrase before dying randomly. Daisuke is a freedom fighter, Hiyori smiles a lot, Kagami doesn’t trust Tendou, Tendou is demonstrative and emotional at the drop of a hat, Yaguruma is some stooge, Misaki contributes nothing besides looking great, everything’s post-apocalyptic and brutal… why would I want to watch a Kabuto movie that doesn’t include anything I love from the TV show? Megumi from Ryuki is in this, and she’s as close to her character from that show as the Kabuto actors are in this movie to their show. It’s all In Name Only bullshit, up and down the cast.
This is something about OOC, which I also detest if this happened (I'll give dislikes far more to adaptations, if they do something that far deviates from the original source, with OOC being one of them). but to make it fair, you gave more free pass if the OOC is about an attempt (emphasis on attempt, funny or not depends, like for example just turning anyone to assholes) at giving comedy (rule of funny)? I think for example in the franchise, Missing Ace's characters all turned into varying degrees of jerk (GSL's OOC is bad though, no defense for that). That won't be a fair judgment IMO though. Quote:
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So of course this movie isn’t just Not Kabuto, it’s also set entirely within a Stupid Dystopia. The premise of it is ridiculous, in ways that are constantly, inescapably distracting. The asteroid that hits in 1999 vaporizes the world’s oceans, creating a brutal hellscape that ZECT rules with an iron fist. (if your government starts handing out half-capes to its soldiers and bureaucrats, congratulations, you now live in a parable about fascism!) Meanwhile, Neo-ZECT wars against ZECT, fighting for freedom.
Except, mostly it just looks like ZECT is keeping a world alive? There is a goddamn operating French restaurant, so it doesn’t seem like they’re so terrible? And, yes, I am aware that you can simultaneously have a fascist regime and French restaurants, but no one in La Salle seems especially oppressed or downtrodden. In fact, beyond a baffling third-act twist (we’ll get to it), we never really see ZECT do anything evil? Neo-ZECT keeps spouting off about freedom and oppression, but ZECT has somehow kept a world with no oceans running for seven years. Neo-ZECT comes off as terrorists and anarchists, with plenty of grievances and no proposed alternatives. I don’t… I don’t understand what the struggle is between these two factions. I never see ZECT being evil, and I’m not sure what Neo-ZECT is offering as an alternative. It’s just a bunch of fighting, and it’s about nothing. Quote:
Can't talk about this more as the plot for Kabuto recently is to uncover what lies behind ZECT, but in this movie yeah, Riku is also the main antagonist alongside Mishima. Quote:
It’s a movie that disappoints; constantly, repeatedly, thoroughly. No one does anything that makes any sense. (When Tendou tells Oda he might betray him, Oda’s like I Love It You’re The Best Tendou.) The golden Rider ends up being just some guy. Hiyori’s plot is hollow, miserablism disguised as profundity. It doesn’t feel like anyone in the film (outside of siblings) likes each other, cares about each other. There’s only one intentional joke that I saw, where Kagami stutters his way through a proposal. Otherwise, it’s just a bleak film where anyone you were excited to spend time with dies horribly. And they’re mostly meaningless deaths, unheroic in the moment (Oda, Daisuke) or missing enough context to feel integral (Yamato). Whatever fun or warmth there is in the Kabuto series, this movie not only lacks it, it replaces it with maudlin melodrama and pointless deaths.
Haven't seen much of the franchise's movies so can't say much. I wouldn't care if the discussion is about something that is a part of my happier times or the opposite though (so yeah, like if others have differing views about the movie, or if I'm still allowed to do this), I think I just jumped if a discussion comes and it's about something I know and followed, whenever liked or disliked, which I can participate.
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01-05-2021, 01:00 PM | #503 |
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This point in the show, we've had like five riders running around and all of whom have some pretty wild personalities! You talk about all of them so fervently that I'm curious how at this time you would rank them in terms of how much you like them (I assume Hiyori still surpasses all of them though!).
I'd probably put Daisuke at the bottom of the list, despite how much I love his interactions with Gon and Tendou. He just isn't on the show enough to feel as vital as the other Riders (it's really just those three Gon stories?), and he doesn't really have a lot of screentime with the rest of the cast. Then Tsurugi, since he's an incredibly fun character, just not someone I'm ready to see as more than a supporting character. He's fantastic in small doses, but probably not someone I'm aching to spend an entire episode with. Still, the show's made great strides in connecting him to the main story and theme, so I could probably bump him higher up the list in time. Then Kagami, because he is a good dog. He is loyal and excitable and has Very Big Feelings, and that is never not fun to watch. And then tendou, because there's no way to avoid putting the title character at the top of the list if you like a show. He's the core around which everything in the show orbits, which means all success is in some way due to him. I don't think he'd have it any other way! Quote:
I think Kabuto is the one series to give us a whole arc dedicated to teasing the Final Form being obtained. (I don’t count Kuuga and Zi-O, since their whole shows are dedicated to getting stronger anyway). Other than that, I don’t have much to say about the ending. I can say that the video game has a bonus level where you fight Hyper Kabuto with regular Kabuto.
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I did not know that was a thing in the TV series. I just assumed it was for the movie. I am going to walk away now.
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01-05-2021, 02:10 PM | #504 |
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And this is why you nesd to be careful and double check stuff when talking anout potential spoilers
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01-05-2021, 02:26 PM | #505 |
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I'd probably put Daisuke at the bottom of the list, despite how much I love his interactions with Gon and Tendou. He just isn't on the show enough to feel as vital as the other Riders (it's really just those three Gon stories?), and he doesn't really have a lot of screentime with the rest of the cast.
Then Tsurugi, since he's an incredibly fun character, just not someone I'm ready to see as more than a supporting character. He's fantastic in small doses, but probably not someone I'm aching to spend an entire episode with. Still, the show's made great strides in connecting him to the main story and theme, so I could probably bump him higher up the list in time. Then Kagami, because he is a good dog. He is loyal and excitable and has Very Big Feelings, and that is never not fun to watch. And then tendou, because there's no way to avoid putting the title character at the top of the list if you like a show. He's the core around which everything in the show orbits, which means all success is in some way due to him. I don't think he'd have it any other way!
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01-05-2021, 02:37 PM | #506 |
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After how goofy 27 was, I'm really impressed that 28 was able to take that set-up and skew it into something much more dramatic. The Gon stuff continued to be really strong, though, and I am all about the moment at the end where Daisuke puts the beanie back on her.
I liked the extensive use of Masked Forms in the big Rider brawl, too. Those forms are the kind of things that later Rider shows would eventually phase out - like what happened with the Level 1 forms in Ex-Aid - so it's cool to see them still getting extensive use here as we're getting into the show's second half. The big thing about this episode, though, is that now that we're through 28 that means that we're going into 29 next. Episodes 29 and 30 are some of the most memorable episodes of the entire series. I hope you have a bell pepper and a copy of the Backdraft soundtrack, because the heat will be on! No, that's about right. |
01-05-2021, 03:30 PM | #507 |
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Maybe the inconsistencies between the show and movie regarding how that scene happens are what make people dissociate. Blame time travel.
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01-05-2021, 04:50 PM | #510 |
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Oh my god it's That two-parter
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