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04-02-2020, 04:53 PM | #261 |
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Than allow me to chime in that 22 and 23 are directed by Hidenori Ishida, just so we all know where the credit is due. Actually, I think I'm just going to keep bringing up names anytime you call specific attention to the direction, if that's cool? It's probably not the most exciting information in the world, but I feel like it's only natural to bring it into a conversation praising the visuals of an episode.
"I Can't Believe A Nice Guy Is A Villain!" is the twentieth episode of Kamen Rider Example. It features the final appearance of Kamen Rider Implication, until his return as Kamen Rider Inference. Just, always one thing per series recap where they blow a surprise or something, so I can't risk it. So, yeah, feel free to add names and dates and stuff as necessary!
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04-02-2020, 05:19 PM | #262 |
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It is totally cool! I have a real blindspot when it comes to creatives for Kamen Rider. I think if I was able to read the credits, I'd be a little more cognizant of who does what. As it is, I'd need to go to the Wiki for that info, and... I'm sort-of trying not to do that, because a lot of their posts assume you've watched every Kamen Rider thing. It's stupid typical for them to start a recap entry with:
"I Can't Believe A Nice Guy Is A Villain!" is the twentieth episode of Kamen Rider Example. It features the final appearance of Kamen Rider Implication, until his return as Kamen Rider Inference. Just, always one thing per series recap where they blow a surprise or something, so I can't risk it. |
04-02-2020, 05:26 PM | #263 |
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Western Media: "A big twist happens this episode, be sure to watch and find out what it is, before you see it spoiled the instant you step onto social media!"
Anime and Toku: "So this episode is called 'A New Form! Survive!', and it's where Naruto gets his new form.'
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04-02-2020, 06:01 PM | #264 |
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04-02-2020, 07:00 PM | #265 |
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Western Media: "A big twist happens this episode, be sure to watch and find out what it is, before you see it spoiled the instant you step onto social media!"
Anime and Toku: "So this episode is called 'A New Form! Survive!', and it's where Naruto gets his new form.' Like, in an American superhero story, you find out Captain America dies, that's all people need to know. Cap died, that's it. Doesn't matter what the story is, that's the important part. (I cannot tell you how many more people watch YouTube videos where someone spoils a comic than would read the story in the comic. Multiples, for sure.) In a Kamen Rider story, I feel like the emphasis is more on Hey Don't You Want To See How This New Form Happens. Toei's constantly using magazines to promote new characters, costumes, powers. It must cause fans to check in, to see why something happens, or they wouldn't promote it that way. Weird. Never really considered how cultural expectations or idiosyncrasies would alter promotional strategies. Huh! Oh no! I was only up to episode 23 of Headmasters! YOU MONSTER.
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04-03-2020, 04:04 AM | #266 |
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And I want to also point out your previous complaint that makes me chuckle now; about her "begging a mirror ghost for answers", then few next episodes have Shinji and Tezuka doing the exact same thing. And for Shiro, I have to tell you that he didn't only create the Riders/monsters and leave them be (like Banno to Roidmudes). He also has complete control of them if he wants, even better than Riders controlling their Contract Monsters, like Agito's Overlord of Darkness over Unknowns. He didn't simply give the Decks. Stopping him/Rider War would mean him deactivating the Riders and halting the Mirror Monsters so that humans will be safe from Mirror Monsters by then, or simply just close the Mirror World. He has bigger influence than you think and IS all-encompassing regarding Rider/Mirror stuff. But unfortunately going after him is just like talking the Riders down... Quote:
Huh. I didn't know that that was how Shinji was perceived by fans. Seems sort-of unfair? He's a guy that's trying to fight monsters and save lives while everyone else tries to kill each other. I feel like that makes everyone else in the wrong, not Shinji.
I don't want nice, smiling Ren, ever. Even in his pre-Rider flashback, he's an introverted asshole. I like the way the show balances his desire for friends, for connections, with him just being a surly misanthrope in his core. I like that this is the best Ren we'll probably ever get! Quote:
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Yeah, I don't think Shinji has nearly enough information to say what Shiro is capable of doing for the winning Rider. I think it's a mix of his distrust of Shiro and his lack of experience that has him dispute Shiro's powers. I think Shinji is being a little small-minded and a lot judgemental.
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I also want to talk about the fight of Ryuki/Knight vs Ouja at the beginning; so Mirror World time limit can cease the fight like Ryuki vs Scissors before and save someone in certain situation. It's shown to have a psychological effect too, look at Shinji. Ren, and Asakura's situation after this. And Asakura is the one eventually "lost" as he collapsed. And now this is another problem Rider War causes, with Shiro choosing Asakura, an unrepentant criminal. With him gaining Rider powers, now society is in even bigger problem with the fugitive having higher chance to create chaos and/or getting away scot-free with his powers! (Oh wait Scissors also did, with him using Volcancer to get away scot-free from his crimes. Gai isn't part of this because somehow he can be a threat without Riders/Mirror stuff with his games). Now polices are utterly powerless to him as Ren remarked. But I also want to ask how Ouja can use his Veno Crash (Venosnaker kick) Final Vent again?? Didn't he already use that in previous episode when Knight saves Ryuki? The mirrors really shows their beauty this time. And about Shiro's mindset it's already covered by Switchblade, and personally to me, Shiro's mindset reminds me of people (like in fandom) who thinks someone is cowardly because they don't want to compete in something (accusing them as afraid to lose instead of being peaceful), no ifs, ands, or buts. You ignored the Rider/card stuff from latest reply but let's talk about the card Shiro gave to Tezuka, which is a pretty new stuff (to a watcher like you). Knowing that Shiro gives advantages to those he deems weak/cowardly, this should be used as a tactic by an unrepentant Rider to gain an advantage in battle by pretending to be a hero who wants to save everyone until Shiro gives you the upgrade. Quote:
It’s Ren telling Yui to leave it alone, to leave it to the Riders. Yui’s only real push back is a vague But I Can’t. If ever there was a point for Yui to reassert her importance to the story, to be more than a damsel, this was it. She doesn’t, and it’s another missed opportunity for the character to feel vital. But! That whole scene is shot gorgeously, with the cool blue of the moonlight soaking the room, letting the emotions feel suffused, enveloped by stillness.
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Yeah there Asakura's stunt of using Mirror World to fake his death won't last for long. Well previously it was the girls getting kidnapped but Goro...of all people... is getting kidnapped?! Where Asakura holds him hostage in a car to bait Kitaoka. We don't really get to see 2 fighter humans going all out though right there. And Kitaoka, what's with your attitude at the end? The only person you care is held hostage by Asakura and you seem undaunted? Probably he doesn't want to satisfy Asakura and Goro may be able to fight him back? Last edited by DreadBringer; 04-03-2020 at 04:28 AM.. |
04-03-2020, 12:08 PM | #267 |
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Well, most of the time in this series (and some of the other series too), people henshin together, so both party has to complete their elaborate henshin at the same time and can't interfere with the others. So, lesson taken is that you should wait for the opponent Rider to henshin too before you henshin.
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I mean Shinji should get credit for this instead of you (someone who like him) labeling him as small-minded. I feel that he distrusts Shiro because of him being creepy and evil, not how he's incapable of doing so. There are no reason to believe that Shiro isn't lying to them (lying as in, giving false hope), so it may show that everyone but Shinji are actually all gullible, insane idiots (because murdering people because a man in a mirror told you that you'd get a wish is insane).
Shinji and Reiko's interaction for some reason makes Shimada think he's possessed by an evil spirit (he just matures! don't ignore character development, in-universe characters or fandom!). So Shimada's weirdness can be...dangerous here, with her inadvertently harming an innocent. I would talk about this more if this place is spoiler free because it's hilarious to think about what happened in Ryuki movie compared to this one. Quote:
I also want to talk about the fight of Ryuki/Knight vs Ouja at the beginning; so Mirror World time limit can cease the fight like Ryuki vs Scissors before and save someone in certain situation. It's shown to have a psychological effect too, look at Shinji. Ren, and Asakura's situation after this. And Asakura is the one eventually "lost" as he collapsed.
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You ignored the Rider/card stuff from latest reply but let's talk about the card Shiro gave to Tezuka, which is a pretty new stuff (to a watcher like you). Knowing that Shiro gives advantages to those he deems weak/cowardly, this should be used as a tactic by an unrepentant Rider to gain an advantage in battle by pretending to be a hero who wants to save everyone until Shiro gives you the upgrade.
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Now it's clear. The exact reason why Tezuka is the only other heroic Rider than Shinji is...because he too, isn't a chosen Rider like him! Shiro chooses morally ambiguous people as Riders, but the upstanding ones are..not chosen, see the pattern? And this is the scene I talk about when you called Tezuka even-tempered. Instead here he completely loses himself there that even Shinji is shocked.
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Yeah there Asakura's stunt of using Mirror World to fake his death won't last for long. Well previously it was the girls getting kidnapped but Goro...of all people... is getting kidnapped?! Where Asakura holds him hostage in a car to bait Kitaoka. We don't really get to see 2 fighter humans going all out though right there. And Kitaoka, what's with your attitude at the end? The only person you care is held hostage by Asakura and you seem undaunted? Probably he doesn't want to satisfy Asakura and Goro may be able to fight him back?
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04-03-2020, 01:31 PM | #268 |
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I've sometimes wondered why, in Double, a Dopant never jumped Accel during his henshin. Dude does his HEN and then pauses about ten minutes before saying SHIN. If I was a Dopant, and he hit that first syllable, I'd probably be going, "Is... is there more? Is that it? 'Hen'? Okay, well, I got places to be, people to murder, so I'mma just gonna shoot flames at you now."
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04-03-2020, 01:36 PM | #269 |
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"HEN--" oh god he's going to turn into a superhero and murder me this totally sucks should i just attack him no god that'll just piss him off what am i gonna "--CHMEN have mostly just made bad choices in their life, and it seems unconscionably cruel to assault them. Why don't I buy you a coffee, and we can talk about what led you to this point?"
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04-03-2020, 02:07 PM | #270 |
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The time limit thing is neat, for the adverse effects and additional complications, but I think it's mostly just a super-smart way to create reasons why the Riders don't immediately kill one another. Like, without the time limit, you'd be hard-pressed as a writer to explain why fights stop,
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I mean, we haven't been shown all of Tezuka's backstory, just some flashes, so this might be veering into spoiler territory. From what I got out of his scene in the German diner with Shinji, his motivation is unique from Shinji's in that it's built around a form of vengeance, of a friend who died as a result of the Rider Battles, and he wants to stop them because of it. Shinji's motivation was a very split-second I Want To Help, throwing himself into danger. Tezuka seems like he was doing this for a reason, while Shinji was doing this without thinking it through.
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Yeah, boy, that feels like what the next episode has to be about. Is Kitaoka serious about leaving Goro to die? Will his conscience (citation needed) get the better of him? What's he really thinking about all of this? It's very smart of the show to create that kind of ambiguity, to make you uncertain as to whether Kitaoka cares enough about Goro to risk his own life, or if he sees Goro as a tool and sycophant. It's a great cliffhanger.
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