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02-19-2022, 10:26 AM | #1 |
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Subs for the movie are out, so here's a discussion thread for it
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02-19-2022, 10:35 AM | #2 |
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I'm sure people can probably put my words in better ways but um...
Trio of Deep Sin good. Really liked the direction on this one, very unconventional yet nostalgic at the same time, Kamihoriuchi you are the man when it comes to this kind of stuff. |
02-19-2022, 11:37 AM | #3 |
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Fantastic movie imo. Very delibrate and slow paced. I love Riku and Touma so much it just nice wholesome realationship between father and son no if or buts about it. Rintaro story was just Specter Rebirth but without clones so I love that movie and I think it pretty good here. Kento go cucked lol, but I apprciate getting to see more of how he's as much as book nerd as Touma.
The one thing really gets me was at the very beginning when we saw Fantastic burn down. And then see the new one 8 year later it like a pit in my soul seeing what was a "home" for both the character and the audience just gone. I'm a little confused by the whole Riku and Mamiya thing it seem like there might've been time travel involved? Hopefully that mean store didn't burn down.
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02-19-2022, 10:02 PM | #4 |
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It's such a good movie, it's not a 'tokusatsu' movie in the usual definition. it really just felt like a movie. You can come in whether or not you're a fan of the genre and it doesn't really take away from it. The only context you really need is that the three main characters are magic swordsmen.
They don't really keep up the mystery of the three Falchions, you can immediately just guess who they were. It's more on the why that's interesting about them. The key word is: Collateral. How many people were killed off screen as we watch the heroes do their thing? It puts into perspective the events of the show and it's believable! Yuina's story could have happened before the show or during early Q1, they used a set that they also used in the show. I love that they went through the effort of casting someone that looks believable enough to be blood-related to Rintarou. His backstory could've easily happened during Solomon reducing a portion of the city to dust or when Storious blew up a portion of the city. Yuina, Shinozaki, and Mamiya have little time to actually be lasting characters but the way they are used is believable enough for me to not really be bothered by it. Mamiya's acting is so good. I love the scene of Rintarou and Kento meeting post-Amazing Siren, they may not know each other but they have these little cliques that goes to show that they're bonds go farther than memories, with them citing a speech for each other. So, Fukuda and Kami basically sat down and discussed with each other how they're going to improve on Touma. They thought "Why don't we just turn him into Godai?", Touma is even more of a self-sacrificing smiles-all-the-way kind of hero, the way he just keeps on smiling and his desperation to give Riku just one thing that he can care about just like how he was with books is endearing. I'm going to try my best to explain Mamiya and Riku's weird thing, but it pretty much requires just accepting that Kyomu and Amazing Siren can do that. At an unknown point in time during the show, Riku's parents were killed in a fight involving the swordsmen. At another point of time after the show, Riku ran away from the orphanage and comes across Kyomu. He picks it up and splits him in half. Riku, and MamiyaRiku, both having fragmented memories. An unknown event causes Touma's bookstore to catch on fire, Mamiya picks up A.Siren and Kyomu and leaves. Leaving a traumatized Riku to be found by Touma and Mei. At another point in time, Mamiya rewrote their memories to make it so he was one of Touma's childhood friends. You can see Touma being confused by this when he reminisces about it. So, Mamiya has fragmented memories of his dad being killed by Saber. While Riku has fragmented memories that he received from Mamiya, which is also his dad being killed by Saber. Both characters have completely misinterpreted their memories. So, the movie happens and Riku holding Rekka clahses with Mamiya Falchion. Connecting their memories together. The 'father' that died in Mamiya's memories were Touma. Mamiya and Riku reunite together as one person and uses Amazing Siren one last time to rewrite their history that they never touched Kyomu. Them disappearing from Touma is normal, because he doesn't remember them anymore. It gets a little weird with the sequencing, but from what I assume, before they disappear from Touma's memories, they hugged Touma one last time, thanking him. There is no time travel or time loop weird thing going on. Mamiya and Riku are still separated, at least from what I can guess. Mamiya being one of Touma's childhood friends was never removed, but he goes on to become novelist instead of picking up Kyomu. Riku is... somewhere, but he never picks up Kyomu and gets separated and I assume now lives a normal life either in the orphanage or was adopted by someone else. The sequences where Shinozaki passes by Rintarou and Kento meeting Yuina are not "rewritten history". These are from the present. Touma uses Amazing Siren from another point in time to bring everyone back. Kento just meets Yuina again and will probably get engaged again. Shinozaki moves on with his life. There's so many ways to go about the memories thing, even Fukuda said he had his own interpretation, but Amazing Siren's power is to rewrite history, not time travel, so I at least believe that time travel never happened. It's still such a phenomenal movie for me. I think I might put it above RealxTime. I don't really know, I at least enjoyed it in the story department, whereas RealxTime was more focused getting in on the action. |
02-20-2022, 10:13 PM | #5 |
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From what I understand is that since Riku never touched Kyomu in the past, he didnt get split into 2 and he grew up into Mamiya. When Mei showed Mamiya's transcript to Touma, I didnt get that Touma recognized the author as his childhood friend though.
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02-27-2022, 12:00 PM | #6 |
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Just watched this. It was very interesting. Very different. The one was quite unique even if it sometimes clashed with the predictability of the story.
I do argue that it's not something you can walk into without having seen Saber or at least be familiar with it. It makes me happy to see that directors have been trying different things with Tokusatasu/Kamen Rider. And this is mostly a win. Also the Bittersweet song at the end is pretty good. I just thought it was weird that Mamiya was included in it.
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