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10-15-2020, 12:34 AM | #271 |
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Yeah, Hibiki is known as not being safe around vehicles, and the training he got here is a motherfucking dirtbikes.... And somehow Hibiki's tendency to never stop isn't coincidental with anything, like for example, someone who brute forces through anything and never quit no matter how many injuries in the fight with that reflected on how they ride their bike or something.
No, that's fair. Calling out the show for keeping Hitomi in the dark when they have so many involved women, okay, sure. I think it's a little different, since multiple people could clue Hitomi in and (spoiler for the next episode) the cover-ups are just going to get more lame and insulting, but you're not wrong about the show having a bunch of women that are integral to the monster plots.
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10-15-2020, 12:38 AM | #272 |
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I've always enjoyed this arc. Todoroki is a really delightful combination of exuberance and flopsweat at this point in the series. I like that the show treats him like a rookie, but not like he isn't competent. He's just as accomplished at his job as any of the others, he just has a unique way of going about it. Also, his gorilla disk animal air guitars alongside him and that's adorable.
I don't really have a lot more to add about this arc. I'm not sure why, since it's a good pair of episodes with a lot of great moments - love the part where Hibiki and Kasumi are buying snacks in the convenience store - but a lot of what I would say has already been said. |
10-15-2020, 12:47 AM | #273 |
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I've always enjoyed this arc. Todoroki is a really delightful combination of exuberance and flopsweat at this point in the series. I like that the show treats him like a rookie, but not like he isn't competent. He's just as accomplished at his job as any of the others, he just has a unique way of going about it. Also, his gorilla disk animal air guitars alongside him and that's adorable.
I don't really have a lot more to add about this arc. I'm not sure why, since it's a good pair of episodes with a lot of great moments - love the part where Hibiki and Kasumi are buying snacks in the convenience store - but a lot of what I would say has already been said. Like, Zanki is super cool and he made just the weirdest kid. He's not withholding, he's just laconic, and somehow Todoroki is, like, Kamen Rider Anxiety. Hibiki's like, Cool Weekend Dad (also where the eff is Hibarki in this one?!?!?!) while everyone else in the family actually raises Asumu... Ibuki and Akira are the only normal family in this one, and even he's okay with depriving this girl of normal socialization to fight in a demon-exploding franchise/cult. It's weird! They're all insane, and all of them should have their kids taken away by the state, Todoroki included. Get him a better, hopefully less-cool dad.
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10-15-2020, 02:26 AM | #274 |
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And now, for the thing I’ve been holding in for a day.
The diver that appears in this episode (if you missed him, I ask “How?”, since he’s the only non-regular in this episode) is played by a Keizo Yabe, who was previously the suit actor for Zanki before his retirement. And that word is italicised for a reason I won’t say anything about for spoiler reasons, other than this: Õiwa Hisanori. (That’s not a spoiler because it’s the name of an actor) |
10-15-2020, 08:35 AM | #275 |
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Great points! I feel like Ibuki is someone who tries not to be judgemental. Like, it's that Kamen Rider thing where deciding to protect humanity means you protect all of humanity. There's no picking and choosing, and doing that means you naturally see the best in everyone. It's the difference between Kasumi's role (support Oni) and Ibuki's job (save people). She's used to having to deal with corralling people and working with systems, so she's more apt to be curt to get people to take a threat seriously. Ibuki feels more connected to the people he's saving, since he's risking his life to do it, so he's able to work with them to ensure their safety.
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Didn't realize that you replied on my post earlier. And altough you're spoiled with the conflict part of Faiz don't force to turn any other shows like Faiz? Like I said in previous reply...
"cynical tryhard edgy media with milktoast characters = good " mindset needs to stop, obviously not purge away those completely, but like, this aspect being hailed as something (or worse, considered the only way) to make something appear more complex than it actually is when it degrades and is pretentious in its attempt. Unless you meant for conflict being just any obstacles, struggles, and challenges a character need to overcome (like Asumu's story), then sure why not (like probably Akira being Ibuki's apprentice), which is also something I want to convey, that conflict isn't only toxic characters childishly infight all the time, so no need to degrade characters to create conflicts. Yeah, I was talking about conflict in general, not necessary the dark and edgy kind. Every show is built on some kind of conflict with its own stakes to propel the plot forward. I think Hibiki usually does this just fine and making it more like Faiz is basically what happens later anyway which most people agree, myself included, is to its detriment. Quote:
Yeah there, for last sentence, I want to convey that conflict isn't only about characters acting uncontrollably childish and/or depraved, as you damn well know on Gaim. Like, Asumu's personal fight with the exam and what he try to do to overcome that is also a conflict.
Shounen studying for his exams is a conflict and one that is suitable for a regular high school student to have. It may not be the most exciting conflict in superhero genre but it can be more valuable for the moral and a more relatable parallel to the Oni's struggles. Quote:
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https://screenrant.com/why-video-game-movies-suck/
Yeah, this is a recurring trend to any video game adaptations. There are also bunch of other examples like other fighting games like Mortal Kombat, DOA, KoF, and Tekken, also Resident Evil, Silent Hill, etc.
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10-15-2020, 10:59 AM | #276 |
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 20 - “PURIFYING SOUND”
Todoroki is a bundle of energy, and for the world of Kamen Rider Hibiki, that makes him weird. The whole aesthetic of this show is Make The Mythic Part Mundane And Make The Mundane Part Mythic, so Todoroki being an Oni that actually has fun with it is… it’s just enormously confusing to all of the adults in this one. And, metaphorically, that’s kind of key. The people who are confused by Todoroki (I keep wanting to say “troubled”, but it’s really more confusion than any sense that he’s endangering himself) are basically his dad, Zanki; his grandad, Ichiro; and his uncle Hibiki. They’ve got a system for being an Oni, and Todoroki is doing stuff that’s outside that system. They spend most of this episode not getting him, not getting what he feels, and not getting why he’s being so weird. Quote:
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Keyword: adaptation. It's obviously the live action one. Y'know, many of those games are western adaptations and they don't really give a fuck about the source material. Blood Vengeance was made by Harada and Namco themselves (admittedly, as a backlash to the western adaptation as they weren't allowed to supervise the live action adaptation), so it's just another franchise work in different field.
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10-15-2020, 01:12 PM | #277 |
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And now, for the thing I’ve been holding in for a day.
The diver that appears in this episode (if you missed him, I ask “How?”, since he’s the only non-regular in this episode) is played by a Keizo Yabe, who was previously the suit actor for Zanki before his retirement. And that word is italicised for a reason I won’t say anything about for spoiler reasons, other than this: Õiwa Hisanori. (That’s not a spoiler because it’s the name of an actor) Quote:
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Actually, Todoroki's age is 26, 2nd oldest Oni of the main Oni trio introduced. He's very childish for his age. And saying they got a system for being an Oni... is it really that? It seems that the way of how Hibiki, Ibuki, and Zanki mentors others are different (especially Zanki's).
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10-15-2020, 05:05 PM | #278 |
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Right off the bat, I can't let this one go by without mentioning that, after a brief sneak preview in 17, it features the real debut of one of the coolest Rider weapons ever:
I have to wonder how much better this show would've done if they had been selling it on this kind of visual from the start. A hero with a blade made out of fire seems like an easier sell than "so this guy plays drums or something, I guess?" It's sort of surprising to me they didn't come up with this idea earlier. I mean, Hibiki... with a sword! How could that idea go wrong? Anyway, this was a touching enough little story about Todoroki growing into his own, and I like the idea it lands on that Todoroki finding his own path as an Oni doesn't require losing Zanki's support. It's more of that mutual teacher/pupil kind of deal where it's actually both of them who are trying to redefine their status quo, and, as Die pointed out, it isn't simply a matter of Todoroki not "getting it" or whatever. It adds a lot of dimension to the plot. There's also a touch I love in both these episodes that does a great job showing how overworked and overexcited Todoroki is, which is him dumping his Disc Animals haphazardly out of the case when he's tracking down Makamou. It's such a stark contrast to all the previous scenes of characters setting up these elaborate thumbtack grids on maps and sitting around politely drinking tea while they wait; a single little gesture that speaks volumes about Todoroki as a character, and where he's at in life.
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There's also a touch I love in both these episodes that does a great job showing how overworked and overexcited Todoroki is, which is him dumping his Disc Animals haphazardly out of the case when he's tracking down Makamou. It's such a stark contrast to all the previous scenes of characters setting up these elaborate thumbtack grids on maps and sitting around politely drinking tea while they wait; a single little gesture that speaks volumes about Todoroki as a character, and where he's at in life.
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10-15-2020, 07:08 PM | #280 |
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I have to wonder how much better this show would've done if they had been selling it on this kind of visual from the start. A hero with a blade made out of fire seems like an easier sell than "so this guy plays drums or something, I guess?" It's sort of surprising to me they didn't come up with this idea earlier. I mean, Hibiki... with a sword! How could that idea go wrong?
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