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04-18-2021, 10:45 PM | #801 |
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HOW big is "giant"? WHICH of the Alien movies is he from? WHERE is Earth? See, I can't be expected to follow premises like these. It's all so convoluted! Ultra Nonsense!
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04-19-2021, 12:35 AM | #802 |
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WHICH of the Alien movies is he from?
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See, I can't be expected to follow premises like these. It's all so convoluted! Ultra Nonsense!
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04-19-2021, 12:40 AM | #803 |
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And that's why I'm here: to be the person that needs all of these things explained to them. Will you all explain things to me until the very end?
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04-19-2021, 05:45 AM | #804 |
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I will actually fight for the storytelling brilliance of making Kai a disinterested "big fat nothing" of an endgame villain! This is my Fish Sandwich hill to die on, where I defend something that is objectively lame because its lameness is intrinsic to its success. I have become what I what railed against, and I don't know what to do with that. Beyond that, yeah, complicated feelings about Den-O! Same! It's not one I can endorse wholeheartedly, but it was a fun show to spend a couple months with. There's some real big wins nestled against some shocking disappointments. Glad it ended up kinda sorta winning you over! So, yeah, his weakness doesn't detract like it usually does.
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04-19-2021, 02:31 PM | #806 |
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I'm not gonna fight you on that, Kai ain't worth that time But, fair I guess, he's by far one of Kobayashi's better villains by the simple fact that he's not really annoying, like a certain computer virus that acts more like a bratty child that didn't get his sweats...
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The first answer is couched in the world of the show. His mystery is what makes him so terrifying, as does his contradictory demeanor. He's Ryotaro inverted: externally charismatic and internally blank; chewing up memories because they're just fuel for him; bored by adventure; using the Imagin as cannon fodder. He's scary because he's the horrifying alternative to being a Singularity Point. He comes from nowhere, he can be anywhere, and he answers to no one. He's a metaphor for all the things we want to forget, the parts of ourselves we'd rather burn up to reach a blank slate. Ryotaro is about the power of memory; Kai is the seductiveness of forgetting. The second answer is that Kai is the show's self-critique of endgame villains, and how you could do one on a show that's all about internal journeys. Kai doesn't give a shit about explaining himself, because the show doesn't give a shit about explaining Kai. The point of Kai is to be a somewhat arbitrary menace to defeat, but nothing that should pull focus from the character development. Kai needs to be not that important, or the show loses what everyone's watching it for. If Kai seems underwhelming, I'd argue that a) that's what makes him hard to predict as a villain, and b) what makes him such a unique take on that character type. He's a world-destroying villain who is bored of the World-Destroying Villain trope. I really love that approach.
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04-19-2021, 02:32 PM | #807 |
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It's going to be a little while before I get to those follow-ups (a break first, then Kiva), but I'm interested to see how the characters evolve and how the New Den-O stuff works. I honestly barely remember the kid from the OOO movies, and the new Imagin (Teddy?), so it's all going to be fairly fresh to me.
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04-19-2021, 03:50 PM | #808 |
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Alternatively, Climax Deka could come never, save yourself a wasted hour or so?
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04-19-2021, 03:54 PM | #809 |
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Your thoughts on Kai being great because they don't actually go into any detail about him... You truly have already become Fish and their love of fog banks.
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04-19-2021, 03:59 PM | #810 |
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I guess, to walk back the Fish comparison, I additionally like that the show never made a big deal about Kai's history or connection to the series-arc. He's a metaphor, and an obstacle, and that's it. Maybe it's lazy writing (I could listen to that argument without agreeing with it), but there is absolutely zero narrative tension expended on Kai's secrecy, and I love that. It's the opposite of the Sakurai stuff, where the show couldn't shut up about it past a certain point. Kai exists, and that's sort of it.
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