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01-17-2022, 11:09 PM | #311 |
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This is kinda where the movie fails to meet me anywhere above "yeah that was pretty fun" for me as well. There's not even anything like... a trap Eiji places in the Dark Drive suit to hurt the Roidmude to give his dad an opening, or a plan he passes through the portal, or some kind of intention for Shinnosuke to carry on so he's at least there in spirit. For a lot of this movie I was wondering how much of Eiji we actually know about and how much was just the Roidmude playing up the act. Type: Special being a spiritual bond between Shinnosuke and his future son is really good on paper but I didn't really feel like it earned that payoff or that it ever hit for me?
Yeah, kinda just feel the same about this movie as you do! Definitely remember having fun, having a good time; far from the worst thing I've seen or the worst use of my time. But it fails at key moments to go beyond that, so it ends up settling on "yeah, alright movie" So weird that the end's just Maybe Eiji Still Exists. So weird.
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01-17-2022, 11:17 PM | #312 |
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Man Ghost might have the most different pre season cameo out of all of them. And I know all of them are going to be a little different from the actual show. But from everything from Ghost entrance, fighting style and even what little we can hear from his voice his inflection completely different Takeru from the show.
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01-17-2022, 11:22 PM | #313 |
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Man Ghost might have the most different pre season cameo out of all of them. And I know all of them are going to be a little different from the actual show. But from everything from Ghost entrance, fighting style and even what little we can hear from his voice his inflection completely different Takeru from the show.
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01-17-2022, 11:50 PM | #314 |
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I remember liking the Ghost Cameo for how different it is
Then every time I see it somewhere I just see people going "If Ghost was like this then it would be good" and I've seen that take enough times to where I just actively dislike this cameo now. Except for the Newton Damashii part. I thought that was a cool thing to end on honestly and I'm glad that Newton Damashii ends up getting some good love in its first ever appearance. Oh right this was a Drive flick wasn't it? Uh, I thought it was fun. I'd maybe rank it decently high on my list but that's about it. Might need to watch it again though given the whole stigma on Police in the current year I can see certain things not aging well at all. That being said, ReRay is a nice song and the entire last fight when Shinnosuke gets fully back into action was probably my favorite fight in the movie. Just Shinnosuke going full Type Speed with his police training, even borrowing Gou's weapon. And then Type Special shows up and I... I honestly like this suit just as much as Dark Drive. RIP Dark Drive, I'll miss you. You shouldn't have been cannibalized to make another suit. |
01-18-2022, 12:07 AM | #315 |
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If only one scene has Surprise Drive playing over it, then that scene is the best scene in the movie. It's just math!
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01-18-2022, 12:10 AM | #316 |
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You mean Tesla, right?
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01-18-2022, 12:12 AM | #317 |
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I feel like it started with a vowel. Alessandro? Alessandro Volta? Was that it?
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01-18-2022, 02:46 AM | #318 |
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It was Edison.
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01-18-2022, 03:21 AM | #319 |
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01-18-2022, 10:47 AM | #320 |
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Like I also said before in the Kabuto thread, Surprise Future is my favorite Kamen Rider summer movie. That's why, I'm here to defend it!
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Let?s hit the superhero part first! I cannot take Eiji?s claims seriously, from the jump. The idea that Krim is some ticking time bomb? no? No, I will never ever believe that? It?s a huge swing for the movie to start off with, and if I?m honest, it never really recovers from it. The post-reveal part of the movie is better than the pre-reveal, but you are asking the audience to believe that Shinnosuke?s Belt Dad is going to subjugate the future and bring the world to ruin. That is a ludicrous ask when the series is already forty episodes deep. If you want to come in with a plot where Krim is reprogrammed, or there?s an evil copy made, fine. But to come in and say Krim Is A Secret Evil Mastermind Who Has Been Lying To You All Along? man, what the hell. There?s no real twist in learning that Drive?s been lied to, because it?s such an unbelievable claim. The only twist is who?s lying, and why.
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Which, uh, some new Roidmude! Okay. He?s just a monster to fight, and that?s? I don?t know, whatever. There?s no real grudge, no reason why he?s using Eiji other than to enact his scheme. He doesn?t have some huge beef with Shinnosuke; he just wants to destroy Drive. It?s all fine, nothing memorable or special.
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The biggest flaw with the superhero side of the plot - aside from its ridiculous opening gambit - is that Eiji, the real Eiji, never gets to take part in the story. The villain spends the entire movie using his son?s face, but Shinnosuke never gets to spend a scene with his actual son. Eiji only exists as a weapon from the future, so we?re robbed of any catharsis. We never get to see an actual familial connection (beyond a nod to a ghost hologram?), which feels like the least we?re owed by the end of this story.
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Then there?s the whole plot about the police rallying around an officer accused of excessive force, in which a high-ranking police official is heroically guilted into shielding said officer from investigation, which? WOW. Wow. That is? I mean, maybe it played less terribly in 2015? I don?t know! I don?t think it should, but I don?t know! But, boy, in 2022? I do not have a ton of interest in a story that browbeats a cop out of holding other cops responsible for their actions. Accountability is an okay thing for the police to adhere to! Kiriko?s great, but when she?s like HOW DARE YOU QUESTION SHINNOSUKE?S MOTIVES, YOU SHOULD HAVE HIS BACK, I was cringing in my chair. It?s? this whole plot is a real bad look, man. Probably some stuff in there about being more dedicated to ideals than the appearance of ideals, but, no. Absolutely not, to this entire part of the movie.
I know right! Tenkuuji Takeru was all about building connections with people, the power of emotions and the infinite potential of humanity. I seriously don't think he would've been as effective at advocating those things if he was some monotonous edgy guy. I mean, this weird Ghost cameo is basically how the Ganmaizers act!
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