|
Community Links |
Members List |
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
|
Thread Tools |
06-11-2018, 04:27 PM | #1 |
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,464
|
Out of Sentai show, which show that got massive negative reception by Western audience? The show that is absolutely HATED by Americans?
Bonus Question Which Kamen Rider show that is hated by Western audience? |
06-11-2018, 04:41 PM | #2 |
Stronger Than You
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: nyet
Posts: 25,327
|
Goseiger.
Kiva.
__________________
|
06-11-2018, 05:30 PM | #3 |
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Central Minnesota
Posts: 10,390
|
|
GoseiWonder |
View Public Profile |
Find More Posts by GoseiWonder |
06-11-2018, 06:00 PM | #4 |
Omnipresent Historian
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: In the now.
Posts: 707
|
Which is rather ironic, but I digress.
I'd argue that both had their fair share of split audiences though. Many enjoy Kiva and Gosei, and many are indifferent on it. Like the Kiva designs do actually stand out to westerners more, while Gosei has mixed responses but typically Gosei Knight stands out, as does his mecha. The themes of Kiva also typically stand out to western audiences more as the search for understanding parents one has never met is something that's stronger there, but Wataru's personality clashes to western views a lot as the culture shock can be jarring, but also much needed as his more reserved personality speaks more someone not as spoiled by privilege and seeks a simpler old style life. Whereas Otoya's personality does clash to many western views, but he's also supposed to be a flawed individual of the 80s that's more complicated than the surface actions may suggest. Kiva's extremely complicated in that regard. Which for audiences looking for clear cut and dry black and white, won't work for. Quote:
It's hard to really say which is "hated by westerners" the most, as audiences vary. There is no solid consensus on that. Take for example Kiva, many western areas get confused by the constant time shifts, and can't deal with the two era story telling. During some eras of audiences, they need to be spoonfed everything and can't grasp simple cues. Which isn't a new thing, as there are many areas of the western audiences that get confused by things like the matrix and its two world approach. Same as Gosei and the focus on angels and the like gets many of the atheist crowd up in arms from their anti-religion stances. But fiction and mythology is fiction and mythology no matter where the lore drawn on comes from. There is no one solid metric for measuring what'll do well with audiences worldwide or in different areas of the world. Sometimes it's as simple as certain personas other times it's as complicated as tone and subject material. Sometimes it's as simple as designs being the right mix. Eras vary from show to show from simplified designs to complicated whether it's in the suit or the mecha. Sometimes something as kitschy as cubes can be a hit, sometimes something more complicated like Go-Buster can be a hit. It can vary. It varies about as much as Sentai itself and how the various eras feed to different concerns and themes of the time or mentalities. How wildly things can vary even between similar themes like Bouken's adventure and drama compared to Go-Ongers comedic presence and slapstick nature that had animated dancing mecha in the outro. There is no such thing as one size fits all on distaste or recipe for success, and it's all dependent on the audience and what in particular speaks to them, which can vary as much as people do. Sometimes some topics are universal, sometimes it takes time for aspects of themes to find their audience. Some are ahead of their time, some are after their time. The time it takes for a show to go from conception to execution and airing can create mild hiccups as such too. So there really is no "universally beloved" and "universally loathed." Last edited by Librarian; 06-11-2018 at 06:10 PM.. |
06-11-2018, 07:35 PM | #5 |
Tokusatsu Hero
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 6,223
|
The American fanbase for these shows are very niche, so it is hard to say. People who are into toku superhero shows like us are not very big to be honest.
__________________
She/Her |
06-11-2018, 08:07 PM | #6 |
Stronger Than You
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: nyet
Posts: 25,327
|
We may not be the biggest fandom around, but I say there's enough of us for Bandai (And now Hasbro) to create multiple collector oriented lines.
Anyway, my decisions were based on general observations. Goseiger has it's merits (I freaking love Gosei Knight), but most are overly indifferent to it, and find it's constant villain swapping tedious as it basically resets the status quo every 14 episodes. While optimistic heroes are fine, most people found the Goseigers to be optimistic to the point of obliviousness, and their air headed antics and decisions were eye rolling. Kiva suffered from being too melodramatic and just not being able to handle the shifting tones. Most people found the 80's timeline to either be the best part, or found it too ridiculous. Wataru was seen as just too uninteresting a protagonist until the final 3rd of the show, while Nago seemed to go from straight laced to comedically obsessed and straight forward, which kind of lowered his character in the eyes of some. Kiva's only universal praise is it's designs (Which are pretty on point) Most "Bad" Sentai and Rider series people are pretty 50/50 on. For everyone who hated Faiz's lack of communication, you have someone who found it genuinely enjoyable and loved the characters. While some people may find Boukenger bland and dull, you have others who loved the adventure aspect. I'm just using general observation, and it seems Goseiger and Kiva have the largest "Bad rap" compared to other shows.
__________________
|
06-12-2018, 01:18 AM | #7 |
TokuKnight89
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Central Louisiana (Cenla)
Posts: 2,556
|
Quote:
Same as Gosei and the focus on angels and the like gets many of the atheist crowd up in arms from their anti-religion stances. But fiction and mythology is fiction and mythology no matter where the lore drawn on comes from.
There is no one solid metric for measuring what'll do well with audiences worldwide or in different areas of the world. Sometimes it's as simple as certain personas other times it's as complicated as tone and subject material. Sometimes something as kitschy as cubes can be a hit, sometimes something more complicated like Go-Buster can be a hit. It can vary. There is no such thing as one size fits all on distaste or recipe for success, and it's all dependent on the audience and what in particular speaks to them, which can vary as much as people do. So there really is no "universally beloved" and "universally loathed." I do believe tastes can vary. Take Changeman! The last Sentai with ONE Mecha! I originally viewed it as a drop in the bucket, but found it to be very entertaining in the long run. Some say Go-Busters was too different, but I actually enjoyed the series and am curious as to how PR will handle it. It's also difficult to get an accurate reading on something like this due to the simple fact that only so many have seen EVERY Sentai series and movie and special in existence. Some will judge based solely on what they know. Are there some Sentai that are collectively hated? It's possible. Then the question becomes: Does "collectively" translate to "universally"? By my assessment, jury is deadlocked! So yes, I agree with the idea that "universally" need not belong in the argument. To each his or her own! |
06-12-2018, 11:09 AM | #8 |
Banned
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: A Cave
Posts: 2,115
|
For sentai I would say Ninninger.
I would say a Toqger but I dropped it at episode 19 before dropping it due to not feeling it was worth hunting for more episodes. So I dropped it before the apparently good stuff happened, so I can't say for the story. As for the designs, not a lot of Americans are into trains. As for riders I guess Ghost just for how much a pain it was and Fourze for the extreme power of friendship which I hate. |
06-13-2018, 05:45 AM | #9 |
Dark Noir Black Schwarz
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Australia
Posts: 957
|
I feel like everyone used to hate Ohranger despite no one actually watching it. I dunno if that's changed since fansubs and the DVDs came out.
|
06-13-2018, 07:11 AM | #10 |
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 2,486
|
Go-onger
Goseiger Go-busters ToQger Ninninger Zyuohger. |
|
TokuNation News & Rumors |
Kakuranger: 30 Years After |
ToyRise RyuKenDo |
Alternative Cut of "Day Of The Dumpster" Released |
Shodo SUPER Kyoryuger Teaser |
Figuarts/Seihou GRIDMAN |
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:41 AM.
|