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05-22-2022, 04:26 PM | #1171 |
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Geiz Majesty is some good stuff. Probably my favourite Rider V-Cin, outside of that time Knuckle went and beat up gang-members. I appreciate the commitment to the new world, I love the lower stakes of high-school problems meet a bunch of holdovers from the last world, I love the cameos. It's just good!
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I think they tried to squeeze too much in to this story, by making it Geiz's origin and his extra final form debut and New Sougo's and Tsukuyomi's origin, even though their only contribution here is being Geiz's friends instead of having their own reasons. There was no commitment to doing this origin story for everybody. Maybe there should've been a time skip, where Kamen Rider Zi-O, Geiz and Tsukuyomi are already active after getting their powers offscreen, so you could just pick up Geiz's development from there and leave the rest to the imagination.
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05-22-2022, 08:09 PM | #1172 |
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RIDER TIME: KAMEN RIDER DECADE VS ZI-O - “DECADE MANSION’S DEATH GAME”
Ha ha, you know what? Okay. It’s Inoue to the highest degree, and that’s always a good and bad thing. This series makes about 70% sense, with 15% Good Nonsense and 15% Bad Nonsense. It’s vaguely looped into Decade’s role as protector of journeys, with him specifically not being thrilled with folks getting kidnapped from their worlds, while still feeling like this story could’ve been handed off to four or five other Legend Riders. (Kabuto, for sure.) The Zi-O stuff is basically nowhere, with a villain whose appearance actively works against both its core metaphor and the end of the TV series. It’s a gigantic mess, this thing. The 15% Bad Nonsense… let’s get that out of the way first since, while it’s worth mentioning, I can’t say it super bothered me. I legitimately do not understand why an alternate version of Sougo is still Zi-O, and he didn’t bother to Henshin until the very end of the story. Does he not care about all the people who were getting murdered? Could he not have tried to defeat Another Ryuki? This is an incredibly dangerous situation with monsters! If you can turn into a superhero, maybe do that! Just a thought! The 15% Good Nonsense more than made up for it, though. When Onodera is revealed to be the killer, I had that brief flash of anger that I sometimes get in an Inoue story, where I think he’s being an asshole. But then Onodera Is The Killer rolls into Sougo Is A Robot (!), which rolls into Heure Is A Space Ninja (!!), which rolls into Mizuki From Amazons Was A Ghost This Whole Time (!!!), and I’m just laughing my ass off. It is the perfect conclusion to a Kamen Rider mystery, to just make everything impossibly dumb and unguessable. So, yeah, the mystery or whatever… no one in this story or behind the camera cares about it. The important thing is to get a ton of Kamen Rider actors into the house where ZECT held Gon hostage, and then do a Stupid Squid Game on them for about half an hour. And it was super successful on that level! We’ve got the returning Zi-O cast of Sougo, Heure, Ora, Swartz, but playing brand-new-ish characters. (Heure’s still a whipping boy, Sougo’s still enthusiastic, Ora’s still a teenage monster, and Swartz is Complementation Weirdo Swartz.) Along those lines, we also get Sid from Gaim as a gangster, Bravo from Gaim as a housewife, the aforementioned Mizuki from Amazons as a student, Onodera as no one special (typecast!), and Narutaki as Narutaki. It’s a bonkers roster of Legend Riders, and they all seem to be having a blast. (Bravo and Sid, more than the rest.) This was dumb as hell and fun as shit. Seeing Decade treat a murder mystery as substantially easier to solve once everyone’s dead, that’s kind of perfect in its needless PG-13 cruelty? And the guest cast proves that everyone who’s willing to be on a Kamen Rider show, any Kamen Rider show, is a nut. Everyone involved seems like they’re relishing a chance to go as far over the top as possible, knowing that Inoue has their back. This probably wasn’t good, but it was unforgettable. (Heure was a SPACE NINJA and Tsukasa’s like Of Course.) Inoue Forever!
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05-22-2022, 08:19 PM | #1173 |
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Okay so like, I don't really care for either of these specials and I don't consider them that good? But... I do find them entertaining and I feel like that's the most important part?
Like listen, you'll hear me absolutely hate these things because of like, what they do with Oma Zi-O specifically given it's such a weird contrast and even then this Oma Zi-O doesn't even feel like the Oma Zi-O we know. Like just some weird time remnant of him that really has no purpose other than being generically evil. But... Quote:
The 15% Good Nonsense more than made up for it, though. When Onodera is revealed to be the killer, I had that brief flash of anger that I sometimes get in an Inoue story, where I think he?s being an asshole. But then Onodera Is The Killer rolls into Sougo Is A Robot (!), which rolls into Heure Is A Space Ninja (!!), which rolls into Mizuki From Amazons Was A Ghost This Whole Time (!!!), and I?m just laughing my ass off. It is the perfect conclusion to a Kamen Rider mystery, to just make everything impossibly dumb and unguessable.
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05-22-2022, 08:37 PM | #1174 |
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Oh, absolutely. For every dumb thing about the special that occurs to me (How does Onodera from another world recognize Tsukasa? Isn't Tsukasa, like, a universal constant? Isn't there only ever supposed to be one of him in the multiverse?), I just end up thinking about something hilarious, like Mizuki getting a stack of bills from the Old Man and Bravo being like YOINK. Or Swartz finding a pot under a comforter. Or Ora getting caught trying to stab Heure in the back and going JK LOL. Or Narutaki acting hurt that no one ate the poisoned dumplings. Or or or.
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05-22-2022, 10:23 PM | #1175 |
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I didn't and don't think anybody actually cares but I'll say just in case that I probably won't be posting in this thread much or anymore because uh... I really don't have anything positive to say about any of these post series Zi-O material ^_^;; The finale really soured me, that sour feeling only conitinued onwards, and I'm tired of that feeling (yet it will persist for many years to come x_x). But the posts in the thread are still engaging to read! Last edited by FreshToku; 05-22-2022 at 10:31 PM.. |
05-22-2022, 10:36 PM | #1176 |
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I didn't and don't think anybody actually cares but I'll say just in case that I probably won't be posting in this thread much or anymore because uh... I really don't have anything positive to say about any of these post series Zi-O material ^_^;; The finale really soured me, that sour feeling only conitinued onwards, and I'm tired of that feeling (yet it will persist for many years to come x_x). But the posts in the thread are still engaging to read!
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05-22-2022, 10:45 PM | #1177 |
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I mean, for what it's worth, I do care what you have to say about Zi-O, even if it's negative. That said! I totally get not wanting to spend a ton of time trying to explain all the ways a piece of art let you down. There've been a few absolute disasters over the last couple years of these threads, episodes that made me actual angry, and by 48 hours I was pretty publicly like Please Stop Making Me Talk About This. Who wants to be reminded of stuff that makes them unhappy?
Funny thing is I'm pretty sure a lot of your worst experiences with Rider that you've posted about came from Inoue, who's also responsible for a lot of your absolute best experiences. Seems only right that the last thing you tackle in this thread, the culimination of twenty years of television, is another miniseries tackled by the man. |
05-22-2022, 10:55 PM | #1178 |
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Funny thing is I'm pretty sure a lot of your worst experiences with Rider that you've posted about came from Inoue, who's also responsible for a lot of your absolute best experiences. Seems only right that the last thing you tackle in this thread, the culimination of twenty years of television, is another miniseries tackled by the man.
(Hilariously, one of the first things I need to do when this thread's a little bit in the rearview is to catch up on DonBros. INOUE! FOREVER!)
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05-22-2022, 11:06 PM | #1179 |
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Special Time! Mystery Edition!
-I like how all the members of the game are all Rider cast alumni? I mean, there's the obvious Zi-O rep, Yusuke, Sid and Bravo's actors.....but then we have the actors for old guy who was the MOTW for Kabuto's doctor arc, and Mizuki from Amazons? (And to add on top of this, I'm pretty sure this is that one place from Kabuto where someone was kidnapped for for a bit?) It's a really fun decision. -Speaking of! Yusuke, nice to see you again! (even if it technically isn't you we know!) I know the other two members of the DCD quartet tend to get lost in the dust in terms of post-show rep (despite both being Riders....) But man, seeing Kivala near the end makes me wish we actually did get Natsumikan's actress back in some Zi-O content, even if for a fairly small role. -Do like how it's a fairly standard death game drama for two episodes, and then the third episode.....Happens. The ridicilous amount of blood for Heure's death to make up for our fairly tame V-Cin, the silly way Sougo dies, the ridiculous "well, actually I'm-!" reveals, Narutaki being the mastermind, For Whatever Reason..... -I Mean. On one hand, Oma Zi-O being alive depsite Everything makes sense(as along as Sougo exists, so does he), but like......I don't like it here? Like personally I interpereted the end of Zi-O with him conceding to the kind of the future Sougo wants for himself, so why are you seemingly up to no good again? Oma Zi-O is only a fun antagonist *as long as* Sougo is sitting in the protagonist seat, but he's not really here, so it's really weird? -I enjoyed it parts of it, but it's not particularly a favorite of mine. |
05-22-2022, 11:16 PM | #1180 |
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I Mean. On one hand, Oma Zi-O being alive depsite Everything makes sense(as along as Sougo exists, so does he), but like......I don't like it here? Like personally I interpereted the end of Zi-O with him conceding to the kind of the future Sougo wants for himself, so why are you seemingly up to no good again? Oma Zi-O is only a fun antagonist *as long as* Sougo is sitting in the protagonist seat, but he's not really here, so it's really weird?
But Oma Zi-O being trapped in a pocket dimension (?) and recruiting Narutaki (??) to find someone powerful enough to go into the purgatorial pocket dimension instead of him (???) is just a dumb, dumb storyline. It might as well be some returning Shocker general, for all the impact he has on the story.
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