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03-27-2018, 09:14 AM | #51 |
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So streaming is technically legal for the end watcher. It's the streaming service/platform and uploader that are the offenders by having provided the "illegal distribution" of said material. This is why torrents and other avenues are problematic. As you are uploading, you are distributing, which is the illegal act based on US laws. This also counts for public viewings to audiences too without said rights. Like a projector in the backyard etc. Downloading itself technically isn't illegal in the states. Uploading is. Same goes for music really. The file sharers that were hit with the lawsuits that Pepsi helped them pay for, were all users that were sharing what they had downloaded. Each country has their own laws associated, so I can only speak about US law on this matter as it's the one I'm familiar with. As for companies that look the other way. That's a whole other thing that's based on many factors. Those that profit off of them illegally is a big one though which is why Ytube gets hit so hard since it's lost revenues. But otherwise they do tend to turn a blind eye to many fansub groups because of the extra merchandise it sells and audience avenues it opens up in broader areas to create hype to likely sell the rights to those areas which is increased revenues. For example, the complete subbed DVD sets we see now are directly because of the proliferation of the material thanks to fansubs creating demand. |
04-01-2018, 08:13 PM | #52 |
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In the states at least, distribution without permits/rights is the offending/illegal act.
So streaming is technically legal for the end watcher. It's the streaming service/platform and uploader that are the offenders by having provided the "illegal distribution" of said material. This is why torrents and other avenues are problematic. As you are uploading, you are distributing, which is the illegal act based on US laws. This also counts for public viewings to audiences too without said rights. Like a projector in the backyard etc. Downloading itself technically isn't illegal in the states. Uploading is. Same goes for music really. The file sharers that were hit with the lawsuits that Pepsi helped them pay for, were all users that were sharing what they had downloaded. Each country has their own laws associated, so I can only speak about US law on this matter as it's the one I'm familiar with. As for companies that look the other way. That's a whole other thing that's based on many factors. Those that profit off of them illegally is a big one though which is why Ytube gets hit so hard since it's lost revenues. But otherwise they do tend to turn a blind eye to many fansub groups because of the extra merchandise it sells and audience avenues it opens up in broader areas to create hype to likely sell the rights to those areas which is increased revenues. For example, the complete subbed DVD sets we see now are directly because of the proliferation of the material thanks to fansubs creating demand. How do you know Toei looks the other way? |
04-01-2018, 08:50 PM | #53 |
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04-01-2018, 09:13 PM | #54 |
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Here's the thing.
In Japan, apparently cable prices aren't cheap ... kind of like the United States. A lot of residents there are ditching their cable and going purely streaming and Internet. A big reason Super Sentai and Kamen Rider ratings are down is simply because people are streaming it now, or even, downloading the shows. I know there's been a few parties that have spoken to Toei trying to get them to start taking their shows online as well as on television and Toei has been very against the idea, as they have and continue to be stuck in tradition. Maybe one day they'll do so. NOTE: There was even talk of convincing Toei to sub their own shows and release them on popular streaming sites ... but again, Toei is against it.
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04-01-2018, 10:00 PM | #55 |
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Here's the thing.
In Japan, apparently cable prices aren't cheap ... kind of like the United States. A lot of residents there are ditching their cable and going purely streaming and Internet. A big reason Super Sentai and Kamen Rider ratings are down is simply because people are streaming it now, or even, downloading the shows. I know there's been a few parties that have spoken to Toei trying to get them to start taking their shows online as well as on television and Toei has been very against the idea, as they have and continue to be stuck in tradition. Maybe one day they'll do so. NOTE: There was even talk of convincing Toei to sub their own shows and release them on popular streaming sites ... but again, Toei is against it. I mean that is pretty much the reason why this musical about Russian Jews coping with change is so popular in the land of the rising sun. Japan is all about tradition. Heck, they still use fax machines even. |
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04-02-2018, 09:31 AM | #56 |
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I was wondering, does streaming shows harm Toei economically?
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04-02-2018, 09:43 AM | #57 |
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Case in point: I never knew what a Kamen Rider was 4 years ago. I randomly found a Kamen Rider-thread over at another messaging board and my friends Sano and Worf pointed me in the right direction. Now I have several Kamen Rider Figuarts and some Deluxe toys with more to come, all of which I would've never bought if it weren't for fan subbed Rider episodes. |
04-02-2018, 02:13 PM | #58 |
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With Toku, there is not big enough market for it in the US other than Godzilla and Power Rangers. Sometimes we get other Kaiju, Henshin Superheroes and other special effect films (Like The Green Slime), but that's about it. I'm glad that we have more Ultraman and Garo stuff in the US for us to watch compare to 5-10 years. With Kamen Rider, I do download fan subs, but buy the merchandise for it to support because I have no other choice.
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04-02-2018, 03:08 PM | #59 |
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Could Toei make a official streaming site for toku ?
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04-02-2018, 05:03 PM | #60 |
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They could―but as others have said above, they won’t. It would likely only be exclusive to Japan or Asia if they did.
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