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View Poll Results: Do you want Toku to become more mainstream? | |||
Yes, more people would be great! | 52 | 46.43% | |
No, a smaller fandom is best. | 25 | 22.32% | |
I'm fine either way. | 35 | 31.25% | |
Voters: 112. This poll is closed |
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10-03-2021, 03:10 PM | #131 |
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It really isn't important, though. There really doesn't need to be a concerted effort to reach out to people that wouldn't be interested in the first place. People like what they like. That's why there isn't a concerted effort from toku fans to reach out to people in other fandoms, and why other fandoms don't reach out to toku fans.
Like it's alright that you're not happy that there isn't an overlap of people who like K-dramas/C-dramas and toku, but that's just the truth of things. Sometimes fandoms just don't connect even if you feel like they should. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean that there should be an effort to try and make people who wouldn't be interested in it in the first place to watch it. |
10-03-2021, 03:46 PM | #132 |
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I've watched some of the Mylasian DVD Sets and they came off like a Power Rangers adaption when I read the sub titles.
Too bad Shout Factory had lost release rights after Hurri.
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10-03-2021, 06:27 PM | #133 |
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It really isn't important, though. There really doesn't need to be a concerted effort to reach out to people that wouldn't be interested in the first place. People like what they like. That's why there isn't a concerted effort from toku fans to reach out to people in other fandoms, and why other fandoms don't reach out to toku fans.
Like it's alright that you're not happy that there isn't an overlap of people who like K-dramas/C-dramas and toku, but that's just the truth of things. Sometimes fandoms just don't connect even if you feel like they should. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean that there should be an effort to try and make people who wouldn't be interested in it in the first place to watch it. It's leading to unfair prejudice against tokusatsu almost on the same level as people disregarding J-pop as inferior when K-pop is the more popular East Asian pop music trending today. This has led to J-pop fans hating on K-pop, and being openly racist towards Koreans. I mean wouldn't you want tokusatsu to be given the same treatment Squid Game and other K-dramas are getting? For me, I want it so tokusatsu genre can be given the same love that K-dramas and C-dramas are getting. The more people that give tokusatsu the same love that K-dramas are receiving, the more chances that Toei and Tsurburaya will be more open to license and simulcast toku shows on Netflix (in the same manner, K-dramas are getting simulcast stream on Netflix). As I said, if fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas, and wuxia C-drama are able to get a wider audiences thanks to mainstream streaming provider like Netflix, Prime Video, HBO Max, etc.... Then why shouldn't tokusatsu be given the same benefit that K-drama are getting. Wouldn't you want tokusatsu to make an appearance on Netflix. I mean I would love Kamen Rider, and Super Sentai to appear on Netflix with the "Netflix originals series" label on there so it can help get K-drama and C-drama fans to branch out to tokusatsu genre. That's why I want tokusatsu to appear on Netflix and other mainstream streaming sites rather then something like Shout Factory TV. As I said, we have anime fans reaching out to K-drama fans (that include anime fans that may be toku fans too), then why don't toku fans don't do the same to get K-drama (& C-dramas) fans to branch out to tokusatsu. If there are K-dramas fans that are watching fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas (those K-dramas have toku-like special effect in them), why aren't toku fans helping those K-drama fans to branch out to tokusatsu. That's why it doesn't make sense to me. |
10-03-2021, 07:20 PM | #134 |
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The problem there are toku fans that aren't happy that K-drama/C-drama are getting all that attention in the mainstream while tokusatsu are being ignored, and the fandom aren't being taken seriously like their K-drama counterpart.
It's leading to unfair prejudice against tokusatsu almost on the same level as people disregarding J-pop as inferior when K-pop is the more popular East Asian pop music trending today. This has led to J-pop fans hating on K-pop, and being openly racist towards Koreans. Quote:
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For me, I want it so tokusatsu genre can be given the same love that K-dramas and C-dramas are getting. The more people that give tokusatsu the same love that K-dramas are receiving, the more chances that Toei and Tsurburaya will be more open to license and simulcast toku shows on Netflix (in the same manner, K-dramas are getting simulcast stream on Netflix).
With Toei, sure, I wish there were more options to watch Kamen Rider, but we've lately been getting them in the form of other streaming services and physical releases, so I'm not bothered too badly. Quote:
As I said, if fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas, and wuxia C-drama are able to get a wider audiences thanks to mainstream streaming provider like Netflix, Prime Video, HBO Max, etc.... Then why shouldn't tokusatsu be given the same benefit that K-drama are getting.
Wouldn't you want tokusatsu to make an appearance on Netflix. I mean I would love Kamen Rider, and Super Sentai to appear on Netflix with the "Netflix originals series" label on there so it can help get K-drama and C-drama fans to branch out to tokusatsu genre. That's why I want tokusatsu to appear on Netflix and other mainstream streaming sites rather then something like Shout Factory TV. Quote:
I'm sorry that it doesn't make sense to you, but again, it's really not all that important. Being mainstream doesn't equate to high quality or guaranteed widespread enjoyment. All it means is that there are more people aware of it. Like Marvel is mainstream, but that doesn't mean everyone LIKES Marvel stories or characters. It just means that they're aware of its existence. |
10-03-2021, 07:43 PM | #135 |
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speak for yourself buddy you are unbelievably insecure about your own hobbies it seems. why in the holy ever loving fuck does it matter how people view something you love? not everyone is as insecure as you are. I understand wanting toku to be more mainstream but your excuses and reasons reek of insecurity and patheticness. you act like this is a bigger problem than it actually is. it's literally all you talk about. it's concerning. you have nothing to gain for it aside from "ah thank god now that it's mainstream people will stop judging me for liking it". I can guarantee you that the vast majority of this forum has absolutely no qualms about the fact they've spent over a hundred bucks on the toys that toku shows are constantly advertising. toys like belts and drivers that don't even fucking fit adults. if you're a grown man who is capable of typing this much about how insecure you are, you shouldn't have qualms either about just enjoying the shows for what they are. Last edited by Chasing; 10-03-2021 at 08:52 PM.. |
10-03-2021, 08:00 PM | #136 |
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Super Sentai and Kamen Rider are two of the highest grossing media franchises on the planet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dia_franchises Squid Game and J-Dramas are doing great right now, but they have nothing on the 50+ years these shows have in history and the billions of money they've made. K-drama fandoms feel overbearingly fervent online, which makes them appear bigger than they actually are, but the revenue doesn't come anywhere near as close. Toei can laugh all the way to the bank. And as far as the studios producing these shows is concerned, that's really all that matters. If the point of wanting Tokusatsu to become more mainstream is to increase its budget and production quality, that's not a race Toei or any other similar studio is ever gonna win against Disney. If the point is so you can stop hearing people ask you "Isn't that like Power Rangers or something?" then it would be just be simpler for you to love what you love and not worry about validation from others. And I really don't mean that in a condescending way.
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10-03-2021, 08:26 PM | #137 |
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Super Sentai and Kamen Rider are two of the highest grossing media franchises on the planet
... Squid Game and J-Dramas are doing great right now, but they have nothing on the 50+ years these shows have in history and the billions of money they've made. K-drama fandoms feel overbearingly fervent online, which makes them appear bigger than they actually are, but the revenue doesn't come anywhere near as close. Toei can laugh all the way to the bank.
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10-03-2021, 10:59 PM | #138 |
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Have you not seen Tsuburaya uploading Ultraman content on Youtube constantly? That's arguably even better than them using Netflix because it's FREE. Sure the videos have ads within them, but that's barely an issue.
With Toei, sure, I wish there were more options to watch Kamen Rider, but we've lately been getting them in the form of other streaming services and physical releases, so I'm not bothered too badly. Quote:
Just become something has 'Netflix Original Series', doesn't equate it being good, you know. And honestly, not really? Like even if something is mainstream, it doesn't mean that everyone's going to be enjoying it. I like fantasy and sci-fi, but I don't really care for Lord of the Rings or Star Trek, arguably THE biggest/mainstream of their genres.
I watched a lot of K-dramas, and yes I've encounter some shoddy or stories that doesn't appeal to me. But that doesn't mean I denied that K-dramas are popular and more well-known then tokusatsu. Quote:
Because that's irrelevant. Just because there are anime fans reaching out to K-drama fans, doesn't mean anything. It's just people suggesting things to watch. And it's not a concerted effort like you've make it sound like it is. People suggest stuff to others to watch all the time.
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I'm sorry that it doesn't make sense to you, but again, it's really not all that important. Being mainstream doesn't equate to high quality or guaranteed widespread enjoyment. All it means is that there are more people aware of it. Like Marvel is mainstream, but that doesn't mean everyone LIKES Marvel stories or characters. It just means that they're aware of its existence.
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Super Sentai and Kamen Rider are two of the highest grossing media franchises on the planet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dia_franchises Squid Game and J-Dramas are doing great right now, but they have nothing on the 50+ years these shows have in history and the billions of money they've made. K-drama fandoms feel overbearingly fervent online, which makes them appear bigger than they actually are, but the revenue doesn't come anywhere near as close. Toei can laugh all the way to the bank. And as far as the studios producing these shows is concerned, that's really all that matters. If the point of wanting Tokusatsu to become more mainstream is to increase its budget and production quality, that's not a race Toei or any other similar studio is ever gonna win against Disney. If the point is so you can stop hearing people ask you "Isn't that like Power Rangers or something?" then it would be just be simpler for you to love what you love and not worry about validation from others. And I really don't mean that in a condescending way. |
10-03-2021, 11:28 PM | #139 |
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Actually, I've seen K-dramas and K-pop getting uploaded on Youtube that can get view then an episode of Ultraman are getting. You'll never see a tokusatsu going viral the same way Squid Game, or K-pop are getting these day. Regarding the part I bold and underline, you know there are ad blocker plug-in that can bypass any ads (I used them when I watch Youtube video on computer).
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And I don't dispute that. But can a Netflix original series go viral even if it's crappy, yes. Negative publicity is good publicity.
I watched a lot of K-dramas, and yes I've encounter some shoddy or stories that doesn't appeal to me. But that doesn't mean I denied that K-dramas are popular and more well-known then tokusatsu. Quote:
Yes it does, when you see K-drama fans and anime fans interacting, that's good it means they're willing to help one another. But I don't see this for toku fans, I never seen a toku fans going to a K-drama/hallyu forum and reaching out to those fandom in the same manner that anime fans does.
People will suggest what they like when they want to. There're plenty of fandoms that don't interact at all, in spite of how closely related you'd think they'd be. There really is no need to act as if there needs to be an organized effort to get more people interested into something. Because that's pushy, and it can drive people nuts. Quote:
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There's nothing wrong with a lack of interaction between fandoms. In fact, that's pretty normal. |
10-03-2021, 11:43 PM | #140 |
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People will suggest what they like when they want to. There're plenty of fandoms that don't interact at all, in spite of how closely related you'd think they'd be. There really is no need to act as if there needs to be an organized effort to get more people interested into something. Because that's pushy, and it can drive people nuts.
No, I'm good. Because the genres as a whole don't necessarily line up with the tastes of toku fans. That's the truth of the matter. People will gravitate to what they like. And that's not bad. Fans of anything aren't beholden to try and get people to like the things they do. It's fine that toku fans don't interact with K-drama/C-drama fans, and it's fine that K-drama/C-drama fans don't interact with anime fans. There's nothing wrong with a lack of interaction between fandoms. In fact, that's pretty normal. |
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