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10-14-2021, 06:51 AM | #6151 |
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If Valkyrie had herself a Rampage Gatling-type Progrisekey, how would the other auxiliary keys work in her favour?
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10-14-2021, 04:05 PM | #6152 |
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If Valkyrie had herself a Rampage Gatling-type Progrisekey, how would the other auxiliary keys work in her favour?
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10-15-2021, 02:10 AM | #6153 |
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At what point during the Heisei era did Kamen Riders actually start referring to themselves as "Kamen Riders" in series?
I remember early on that most series went out of their way to explicitly not refer to the characters as Kamen Riders, so I'm curious.
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10-15-2021, 03:20 AM | #6154 |
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Faulty memory aside, I suppose Blade? Because IIRC, being a Kamen Rider was an occupation there.
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10-15-2021, 06:40 AM | #6155 |
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Ryuki was at least constantly referring to each other as Riders in a Rider War. I forget if 'Kamen' was in there
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10-15-2021, 07:16 AM | #6156 |
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Yep it was used in episode 1. It's that scene where Yui questions Shinji if he's a kamen rider. Also that one episode where Kagawa fights Ren has Kagawa calling Ren Kamen Rider Knight.
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10-15-2021, 09:16 PM | #6157 |
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I believe it was Kamen Rider Drive that ended the trend of individual series having unique title for their riders. Gaims riders, at least the early riders, were referred to as Armored Riders and Kamen Rider Wizard was simply called 'Mahoutsukai."
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10-15-2021, 09:42 PM | #6158 |
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Ryuki was the first Heisei series to use the term, but it didn't get used consistently until Decade. There were still shows that used other terms after that point, but there were a lot of crossover movies starting with Decade where even those characters were called Kamen Rider Whatever.
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10-16-2021, 02:19 AM | #6159 |
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This is getting into general thoughts but on the topic of the Kamen Rider... If it does get used in the series, I like when the show establishes it in a diegetic way.
The best example in my mind is W, when early on in the show's run, the general public gives the hero who has been helping them the name 'Kamen Rider', and so Shotarou and Phillip proudly carry the name as the city's protectors. More subtle I think would be Build. It doesn't go out of it's way to make it explicit, so this is maybe just be reading into things, but 'Kamen Rider' is, chronologically in the show's history, first used to describe the suits and weapons that would be useful for war, but then Sento resolved to make it so the name became synonymous with a hero who fights for love and peace. (While it's on my mind, it's amusing/charming how Fourze first introduced the term Kamen Rider because of the legacy of previous show. But since they quickly drifted away from that aspect, the term in Fourze really became just the club's moniker for the hero of their school, which I like and is how I see it whenever they talk about it in the context of Fourze.) ...In the complete opposite end of the spectrum, I dislike 01's instances of having characters talk about what it means to be a 'Kamen Rider' as if it has any inherent meaning within their world. Those instances only make sense to the audience, and they're only called that because that's the franchise they're in. |
10-16-2021, 02:59 AM | #6160 |
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So, then, is the question what instances do we prefer for characters to use the term rider?
I'm always stupid giddy when someone goes "That's what a Kamen Rider is/we're Kamen Riders!". I feel like a child when someone does that lol. I liked the first bits where Fuwa, Jin and Aruto reaffirm to each other why their Kamen Riders. In basic sense, everyone has their own understanding of what Kamen Rider is to them. Gai sees them as weapons, Jin sees them as liberators, etc. I don't like the end part where Aruto "After all, we're Kamen Riders, aren't we?" Because, as you say, only the audience knows what the dialogue means. It means different to both Horobi and Aruto in that instance. Although, I did still feel giddy when he said that lol. It's a kino phrase. I think my favorite of using the term Kamen Rider is when it's used to specify a specific figure/s. This guy is Kamen Rider Kuuga. These are the grongi. It gives off this legendary status to the rider and separates him from what he fights off or those that he fights alongside with. He is the Kamen Rider. I think, maybe, somehow, Revice is doing this in some way. Since all the riders happened, it can be assumed that the term "Kamen Rider" is a way to assume a specific figure in a point of time that saved the world or a specific area. An urban legend, just like Fourze. George basically attempting to create his own little rider group, his OCs if you will. Instead of having it so "Kamen Rider" pertains to a specific idea, it pertains to specific figures in history. |
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