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10-21-2018, 05:35 PM | #1111 |
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Considering Kuuga was the first of these 20, it's likely he'll get some special stuff. With likely a small appearance in an episode to a later bigger bit maybe. Depends. Kuuga is also that rare one where they can do two Kuugas though because of Decade's Kuuga. The two Kuuga have different timelines. So an another rider of Kuuga might only erase one of them.
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10-21-2018, 05:53 PM | #1112 |
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Something that really interesting/odd to me is that Another Double is in the winter movie, primarily because it seems to imply that the Double Armor is going to be used as the movie exclusive (probably similar to PhoenixRobot).
Also, since Another Den-O is here, hopefully we can see Den-O armor as well, but I wouldn't count on it. |
10-21-2018, 06:21 PM | #1113 |
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Something that really interesting/odd to me is that Another Double is in the winter movie, primarily because it seems to imply that the Double Armor is going to be used as the movie exclusive (probably similar to PhoenixRobot).
Also, since Another Den-O is here, hopefully we can see Den-O armor as well, but I wouldn't count on it. So that means we will see W ride Armor and Den-O ride armor. |
10-21-2018, 06:57 PM | #1114 |
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Like Build, anything in the movie is fair game for series. Once the costume is made, it's available. So we may see them in series later. And if we're seeing another riders, then we'll see Ride Armors. As we've been told repeatedly, the only way to fully defeat an another rider is by using the same rider's power. Otherwise they can keep coming back.
So that means we will see W ride Armor and Den-O ride armor. |
10-21-2018, 08:52 PM | #1115 |
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Futaros is likely a multi-nod. Future Taros because Den-O.
Fu as in negative. And then a nod to W's wind city likely. They've shown multi-nods like that before in the show including mixing english words in the reasoning. Quote:
Not necessarily. Keep in mind that they need the Rider power, not exactly the armor. I do hope we see the Den-O Armor, but I don't think it's a grantee. Keep in mind that Build also messed up its rules by including Bat as both a normal Fullbottle and Lost bottle. So anything can go with the rules in the future.
As revealed so far, the only other way is to have a Time Jacker remove the Another Watch when they are reverted to human. So yeah, we'd have to see the Armor Times for W and Den-O for their another riders to be defeated. That's short of having the original rider murder the human form when they are reverted, but that's way too dark for even Kamen Rider. Time Jackers freeze time when they insert the another watches, so even time travel to try and avert it won't work. Kabuto is likely the only exception to this because of clock up. But even then, so long as the another rider happens far enough away from Kabuto, it's a non-issue and his zector and the Worms will disappear. The same is what would happen to Den-O or W. The second their another riders appear, their belts and memories disappear. So the only remaining bit of the "rider power" is the armor time. And yes, the movie is in continuity to the series, so the suits carryover. It's a great excuse to extend the tv side's budget. So the suits will carryover to the series too. Now that also depends if there's a reason for them to use it in show. But they likely will if they are fun enough(like how Geiz favors the Faiz watch now). Probably depends on how annoying Momo is to the others. I could see that one becoming the "No you take it" ride watch. They aren't going to play fast and loose with the rules in Zi-O. They've been too detail oriented to do that. Build had other excuses, but that was also Q3/Q4. Not Q1/Q2. Last edited by Librarian; 10-21-2018 at 08:59 PM.. |
10-22-2018, 12:56 AM | #1116 |
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The plot doesn't make a lick of sense. Oh, they've so far stuck with the "creation of Another Rider robs the actual Rider of their powers and also happens to prevent the enemies they fought" thing, the "only the original Rider's powers can defeat the Another Rider" thing, and the "the Another Rider's defeat doesn't restore the original timeline thing." However, there's no connective tissue to any of it, and they tacked the whole thing onto a time-travel plot. Close to nothing about time travel on this show makes any sense. The show only acknowledges the concept of cause and effect except when convenient. Our heroes encounter an Another Rider in the present, then journey back in the past to defeat the Another Rider. Since they did that, they shouldn't have been able to encounter the Another Rider in the present... yet they do. We've seen more than one instance of a Rider getting disempowered, yet remaining in the exact location and position they'd been in - mid-battle - afterward, looking baffled. Everything about how they're positioned suggests "something just happened," but if the timeline had actually changed so that the plot of that Rider series never happened, that just wouldn't be the case. The whole point is that something didn't happen. The Ranger Keys thing in Gokaiger was always kind of mechanically iffy (Sentai transferring their powers to Ranger Keys is very much like the Superfriends' "Using their various forms of time travel..."), but you at least had a cause-effect relationship. All those Sentai series happened, the former Sentai were just disempowered. Zi-O's direction has so far been that the prior Rider series never happened, and the show's apparently had no interest whatsoever in addressing the implications of that. Regarding that last point, I'm hoping that next week's episode might finally fill in some of that gaping plot hole. Come to think of it, I think that'd 50% of my gripe with Zi-O: it's not just that there are plot holes, it's that there is more hole than plot. I know a ton of the show is dictated by the various toy lines (the RKF Ride Armor, the DX roleplay items), but I'm curious as to how much was large-scale directives from Toei. Specifically, I'm wondering if some higher-up decided part of the goal of this show is to ditch all prior Rider continuity, perhaps in the hope of post-Heisei Rider shows being able to share a coherent universe. Pure speculation on my part, of course. Unrelated: I realized that the images of the W Ride Armor suggest a huge missed opportunity. How sweet would it have been to have Sougo and Geiz merge for the form, with one eye being Zi-O's pink and the other being Geiz's yellow. |
10-22-2018, 05:12 AM | #1117 |
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I know a ton of the show is dictated by the various toy lines (the RKF Ride Armor, the DX roleplay items), but I'm curious as to how much was large-scale directives from Toei. Specifically, I'm wondering if some higher-up decided part of the goal of this show is to ditch all prior Rider continuity, perhaps in the hope of post-Heisei Rider shows being able to share a coherent universe. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
I will say, I'm fully expecting a Gokaiger like ending. Zi-O beats Oma Zi-O/Whatever the End game villian ends up being. Goes back and gives every Rider their power back, to wrap up the timeline nicely. Untill the 2019 team up movie where Zi-O SOMEHOW gets the powers from previous Riders/the 2019 Rider without fucking with the timeline. That's speculation on my part, but let's be fair this is gonna happen. |
10-22-2018, 05:33 AM | #1118 |
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They have to. They need the exact rider to defeat the another rider, and the original rider ceases to exist when the another rider comes into existence. Therefore, Armor Time is the only way. Den-O can't defeat another Rider Den-O because he ceases to exist when the Another Rider begins to exist. The belt or the belt's power goes poof.
As revealed so far, the only other way is to have a Time Jacker remove the Another Watch when they are reverted to human. So yeah, we'd have to see the Armor Times for W and Den-O for their another riders to be defeated. Quote:
I know a ton of the show is dictated by the various toy lines (the RKF Ride Armor, the DX roleplay items), but I'm curious as to how much was large-scale directives from Toei. Specifically, I'm wondering if some higher-up decided part of the goal of this show is to ditch all prior Rider continuity, perhaps in the hope of post-Heisei Rider shows being able to share a coherent universe. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
Anyway, I really doubt there's any bigger plan behind the show to change things up for the future like that. Even different producers have completely different ideas about "continuity", like how Omori (Drive, Ex-Aid, Build) has talked about a Rider World and how "World B" from Build's finale was that world. Meanwhile, you have Shirakura (producer of most early Heisei series, and now Zi-O) who has recently talked about how every Rider is its own standalone world and Zi-O is an exception where they all exist in a single world. Basically, there seems to be no continuity enforced from a level higher than main producer, and different producers seem to have different ideas about continuity (or the lack of it). Last edited by NeonZ; 10-22-2018 at 06:27 AM.. |
10-22-2018, 05:47 AM | #1119 |
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10-22-2018, 06:15 AM | #1120 |
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We're likely getting some kind of cop-out to let Riders have their Rider personalities in the movie. Maybe more time travel shenanigans, maybe he figures out a way to temporarily lend powers back (I believe the Gokaigers did that), whatever.
I don't think he necessarily needs an armour time to defeat them. Geiz used Cross-Z only as a finisher. Granted, it was unclear if he could have defeated Another Build that way if Zi-O wasn't using Build Armour but if they don't want to make a suit, that's probably how they'll do it. If we establish that he can give powers back, they'll just treat it in exactly the same way as Gokaiger. The Zyuohger episodes with Gokaiger in had a scene where Gai went around asking to borrow powers. Or even just that but offscreen (like how Gaim just conveniently fetched Drive's equipment) |
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