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10-29-2020, 09:12 PM | #481 |
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And here in lies my problem with Kiriya. His realationship with Asumu is incredibly one-sided with constantly mocking and antagonizing Asumu and Asumu just takes it. He dosen't get mad or anything he just feels bad slightly and that's it. There never really a boiling point for Asumu and it's likes if your going to subjegate both the character and audience with this crap. At least let be building to something. The only time I feel Kiriya antagonism works happens way later and even then I feel like writers backpeddled on that.
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10-29-2020, 09:13 PM | #482 |
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Yeah, this is starting to come back to me a bit; I'm pretty sure I kinda hated these episodes? I've long resented Armed Hibiki for how it symbolizes Hibiki having all its unique flavor torn away, and if the episode it debuted in was this fun, it makes sense I'd have those feelings.
Because it is, admittedly, a very cool design in its own right, and for that matter, it was definitely part of the plan for the show even if certain Big Changes hadn't happened. Kurenai was already a deliberate ploy to appeal to kids, and Midori (who is not the same character as Hitomi!) specifically has a line of dialogue in one of the last pre-retool episodes mentioning how she's making Disc Animals that can turn into armor. So I feel bad that I hate Armed Hibiki, but yeah, when the thing I remember most from the episode is the dumb gag leading into the ED playing (did you figure out who's playing Kogure yet?), it's maybe not a good sign? Hibiki With A Sword (thank you for the early tease) is such a colossally stupid idea. I honestly hate it, on basically every level. There's some minor aesthetics that I'd like, if it were a brand-new character, but I loathe it on Hibiki. Him just slashing an enemy so that it explodes... (And no, I never figured out who Kogure was played by. Feel free to inform me, Androzani84!)
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10-29-2020, 09:16 PM | #483 |
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Well I'll just bring up the fact that even the costume designer for Hibiki states Armed goes against the show designs aesthatics.
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10-29-2020, 09:18 PM | #484 |
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And here in lies my problem with Kiriya. His realationship with Asumu is incredibly one-sided with constantly mocking and antagonizing Asumu and Asumu just takes it. He dosen't get mad or anything he just feels bad slightly and that's it. There never really a boiling point for Asumu and it's likes if your going to subjegate both the character and audience with this crap. At least let be building to something. The only time I feel Kiriya antagonism works happens way later and even then I feel like writers backpeddled on that.
What I hate is Hibiki acting like there's some clear value in Asumu being friends with Kiriya, when that has 1000% proven to not be the case thus far! Hibiki telling Asumu to be friends because sometimes jerks are helpful or whatever? It's bad advice, and it's dumb advice. It's trying to shoehorn Kiriya's blatant antagonism into Kogure's old-school stern judgement. They are not the same thing! It's okay to not force yourself to be friends with jerks who belittle you constantly!
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10-29-2020, 09:25 PM | #485 |
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Oh, wow, I already totally forgot I did the same passive aggressive thing I did with Heisei Generations Final back when Hibiki got his Lightsaber.
Needless to say, Hibiki already having a way cooler, more in-character sword in just one more point against Armed for me. And don't beat yourself up about the Midori/Hitomi thing too much. They're the same number of letters, and have the exact same vowels in the exact same places; I can imagine that being harder to keep straight than you'd think!
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10-29-2020, 10:52 PM | #486 |
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I've always thought that the usually power up forms thing actually made no sense for Hibiki in the first place. Both of the ones that Hibiki gets seem obviously tacked on because Toei insisted on it for toy sales.
Armed is probably the worse though. The entire concept of the Oni, is that they fight monsters through music. Having a sword that is just a sword and not some kind of musical instrument completely breaks that. It just goes completely contrary to the lore. |
10-29-2020, 10:56 PM | #487 |
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I've always thought that the usually power up forms thing actually made no sense for Hibiki in the first place. Both of the ones that Hibiki gets seem obviously tacked on because Toei insisted on it for toy sales.
Armed is probably the worse though. The entire concept of the Oni, is that they fight monsters through music. Having a sword that is just a sword and not some kind of musical instrument completely breaks that. It just goes completely contrary to the lore. Armed, though, jeez. Someone makes some all-powerful piece of merch and now Hibiki can cut stuff? Why not give him a cellphone and a card deck, while you're at it?
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10-30-2020, 12:10 AM | #488 |
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I am loving this thread tonight.
Also, say goodbye to Shounen Yo, Die. This special highlight performance was the last time the show will feature the closing theme before the finale. The opening is gone after this one, too. The show gets a new, terrible opening but the ending credits/theme are just gone. |
10-30-2020, 12:21 AM | #489 |
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I am loving this thread tonight.
Also, say goodbye to Shounen Yo, Die. This special highlight performance was the last time the show will feature the closing theme before the finale. The opening is gone after this one, too. The show gets a new, terrible opening but the ending credits/theme are just gone. Yeah, sometimes they're bad! I love Kamen Rider as a franchise, but individual episodes get judged on their individual merits. This one didn't have a bunch! Sorry to hear Shounen Yo is done with. I really liked that song, and I thought Kogure singing us out with it was sort of fun. I wish they'd done a few more variations on the staging (Zanki! Todoroki! Kiriya, hovering over Asumu's shoulder when the camera spins around!) but it was a pretty nice way to end an episode.
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10-30-2020, 02:58 AM | #490 |
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Armed Saber is an anomaly because it's a power-up item that Inoue actually wrote in how and why it shows up, instead of having it appear out of thin air and then never questioned again. (I liked it's movie origins more though, which is more contrived but slightly more thematically fitting. Slightly!)
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