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05-17-2021, 12:05 PM | #101 |
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I think I found a better way to convey my feeling :
Targeting a broader audience doesn't equal to changing the product. If we came to like Tokusatsu as it is, the only thing Toei has to do is NOT changing the product, but making it readily available worldwide. Changing the product to target an audience never worked because you end up loosing your established customer base and the new customers will eventually stop from caring. ( Say hello to the Wii/Wii U with the arrival of casual players it didn't work in the long run) change happens no matter who you are catering to. the franchise has changed a fuck ton without any attempt to expose more of it outside of japan. many will agree that one of the only things that keeps this franchise interesting is the fact it IS constantly changing. the fucking world has changed - you should change with it. "Why are people trying to fix what's not broken?" doesn't sound bad on paper but it's a horribly ignorant way of looking at the world and representation - and you've made it clear you aren't smart enough to realize why or how. and none of your examples really check out or do anything to drive your point further. Quote:
I swear to god it sounds like both of you are stuck in 2010. Last edited by Chasing; 05-17-2021 at 12:13 PM.. |
05-17-2021, 12:24 PM | #102 |
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Chasing :
What I've been saying isn't from 5 pages ago, you are clearly out of the loop here. I'm just straight up ignoring you as you're being rude and just love insulting people... Fredbob392 : You make me want to elaborate on one point I didn't want to for the time being, but I guess I will have to. I actually think that Yua, Naki and Izu are the right step in the right direction. It will come as weird, but I don't care about someone's sexuality of someone's gender identity, it's their own. ( as in, I'm not bothered at all, you do with your life what you want) I wasn't talking about this at all. The point I wanted to talk about is how women are represented in tokus in general (aside from Sentai...and even there I don't find it to be that good) My point is that you have too few female riders for an entire cast of male riders, it's like it's more of a sausage fest. I would love to have more female riders or important female characters ( and Zero-One, Build gave us this) Another thing and it's about actors now, is that, correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the female riders are played by....stuntMEN right? From what I remember, Valkyrie was played by a stuntwoman but it's far from being the norm. I would love to see more..."representation" there aswell. One stuntwoman for one female Rider. If that makes sense to you? dreamcastegirl : I'm really liking talking to you, you are the polite kind ^^ Also, I agree with your point raised on your last post. Last edited by Yarlick; 05-17-2021 at 12:28 PM.. |
05-17-2021, 12:35 PM | #103 |
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In that case, I have no idea what sort of point you're trying to make, because weren't you just complaining about not wanting change?
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05-17-2021, 01:04 PM | #104 |
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I feel like we've gone completely off the walls of the original topic here.
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05-17-2021, 01:05 PM | #105 |
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All you think is about inclusivity and stuff like this. Is that a recurring thing America? That the only change you can do to a product is about inclusivity and diversity?
I wasn't talking about that change at all. As I don't give any shit about inclusivity and diversity. I don't even understand why some characters being gay, non binary or stuff like this is such huge deal. Perhaps it's a cultural thing as in most civilized countries of Europe, these kind of debates are moot since equality is a thing in some of our countries. I gave the perfect example about why some changes are bad and can hurt the product. I talked about NieR as an example, it was the perfect example as to what type of changes you shouldn't have. The original protagonist in Japan was a young man. In the US and the rest of the world (thanks to Square USA) was an old overly muscular guy. THAT change ended hurting Nier in terms of sales and SQEA told the Japanese branch that they fucked up. That's what I'm pointing out. Changing for sake of appealing to a certain audience isn't good. I thought I made myself clear. Do you understand my point better now? I don't even understand how we came to talk about "changes" like these when we were talking about making Tokusatsu readily available worldwide. |
05-17-2021, 01:05 PM | #106 |
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I agree with what MKDremare said.
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05-17-2021, 01:29 PM | #107 |
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All you think is about inclusivity and stuff like this. Is that a recurring thing America? That the only change you can do to a product is about inclusivity and diversity?
I wasn't talking about that change at all. As I don't give any shit about inclusivity and diversity. I don't even understand why some characters being gay, non binary or stuff like this is such huge deal. Perhaps it's a cultural thing as in most civilized countries of Europe, these kind of debates are moot since equality is a thing in some of our countries. I gave the perfect example about why some changes are bad and can hurt the product. I talked about NieR as an example, it was the perfect example as to what type of changes you shouldn't have. The original protagonist in Japan was a young man. In the US and the rest of the world (thanks to Square USA) was an old overly muscular guy. THAT change ended hurting Nier in terms of sales and SQEA told the Japanese branch that they fucked up. That's what I'm pointing out. Changing for sake of appealing to a certain audience isn't good. I thought I made myself clear. Do you understand my point better now? I don't even understand how we came to talk about "changes" like these when we were talking about making Tokusatsu readily available worldwide.
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05-17-2021, 01:37 PM | #108 |
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I agree completely.
At the same time, I think we pretty much covered the subject. That yes, if there's a time when we won't be able to watch as easily as now our favorite Tokus, we will still find a way to do it. We just have to hope that we'll get a official worldwide way of watching it. I'm saying that because from what I understand, the USA are a bit luckier on that side than Europeans. |
05-17-2021, 01:38 PM | #109 |
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Wasn't this thread about copyright laws and how that's effecting fansubs, what's even happening here anymore...?
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05-17-2021, 01:47 PM | #110 |
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Well, someone said something, then other people disagreed, which lead to this long debate that revealed that none of us really knew what anyone else was talking about.
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