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02-21-2021, 06:38 PM | #31 |
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So basically I'm getting a "if you didn't get super invested in the first episode, don't bother; also maybe don't bother even if you did" vibe.
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02-22-2021, 07:16 AM | #32 |
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So, you know how Masahiro Inoue mentioned that this might be Decade's last journey?
Well~ according to Inoue (the writer) in this interview, I think, (I grabbed it from /m/ so, you can take me with a grain of salt. - He thought Decade is totally done after Zi-O, but turns out they can still go for it in Reiwa. Kimito: This is never going to end lol - Masahiro: Is it OK for us to appear even in the Reiwa? Kimito: If Tsukasa is appearing, I'll probably get to appear too |
02-22-2021, 09:10 AM | #33 |
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So, you know how Masahiro Inoue mentioned that this might be Decade's last journey?
Well~ according to Inoue (the writer) in this interview, I think, (I grabbed it from /m/ so, you can take me with a grain of salt. - He thought Decade is totally done after Zi-O, but turns out they can still go for it in Reiwa. Kimito: This is never going to end lol - Masahiro: Is it OK for us to appear even in the Reiwa? Kimito: If Tsukasa is appearing, I'll probably get to appear too |
02-22-2021, 09:12 AM | #34 |
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Nah I'm pretty sure he laughed about the suit a lot since he did a drawing of what Decade's newest complete form in like 30 years would look like. Which is having the card tower head be five cards high. Even comparing it to a piece of architecture.
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02-22-2021, 05:32 PM | #35 |
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He's kind of sick of it anyway . Prob did it for his and most kids and a small paycheck. Didnt he said he didn't like the new suit and his character in garo jinga shines more. This is predominately still a sougo spinoff . Most of the returning cast like woz tsukiyomi even yusuke to shots of diend and kivala was so they can hype the series and cut a decent trailer for it. It's not even that funny having two gaim characters in it for nothing aa well as the old man doctor from kabuto who keep acting suspicious. Narutaki is back in your face again for the new meme resurrection. The 7 sougo plot hardly went anywhere. It's not like all 7 needs to be killed off until one become ohma. We did get the ohma fight we kind of wanted for the finale of the series.
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02-23-2021, 10:16 PM | #36 |
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Okay so the explanation for this Oma Zi-O is... he created and destroyed worlds so many times he just regressed into being a kid and just started drawing worlds together to find a new Sougo to fuse with and regain his power.
And even with this explanation this doesn't really explain who this Oma Zi-O is. Is this the actual Sougo who made the School AU and he just became extremely mental trying to do so? Edit: Or and I just thought of this, because this series love AU's and this is technically just another Oma Zi-O that decided not to sit still in his 2068, tried to remake his world tons of time but kept getting it wrong each time. Then saw the School AU that Sougo made but there was a bunch of them so he decided to just smash em all to find the actual good one. Needless to say this special sort of just leaves the door open super wide for anything to happen. Swartz tells Ora that "We'll probably meet Uhr again in the gap between spaces" or something along those lines. Woz talks about how time is a whirlpool and we'll likely see Oma Zi-O and Tsukasa again despite well... they both being dead. I will say one absolute thing though that this special absolutely nailed. More Tsukuyomi content, if there's one thing that she thrives in it's the after series specials/movies. We got two nice fight scenes with Tsukuyomi and I really appreciate that. Last edited by Enchilada645; 02-23-2021 at 10:30 PM.. |
02-24-2021, 12:10 AM | #37 |
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So.... there now just two Tokiwa Sougo now right? Cool that was very weird. It obviously very low-budget so I can't really complain outside of Complete 21 getting wasted that quickly. Hopefully that form comes back and get a much better outling like how Post Show Grand ZI-O has been treated.
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02-24-2021, 12:24 AM | #38 |
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This was. A special kind of bad. Jesus.
I don't really know what to say, that just sucked.
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02-24-2021, 10:55 PM | #39 |
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Okay, I wasn't super keen on Decade's weird murder mystery, so how do I feel about what is clearly the main event of these twin mini-series judging by length?
Well, uh, *heh-heh*, remember when I said Decade VS Zi-O wasn't soul-crushingly awful~? Because man, I have to say, Zi-O VS Decade just keeps falling apart the longer it goes on until it became downright unbearable to me. It's like some cruel twist of fate. I complain about Inoue using Zi-O to do an off-putting Ryuki sequel, and then a few years later he does the same thing to Zi-O itself, with a ton of the same exact problems, as if to spite me. At least Geiz didn't kill anyone? If there's one thing I can say for Inoue's writing here, it's that I think he actually writes a pretty decent Sougo. Not a great one, but he's weird and offbeat and quirky and eternally positive, even in scenarios where being positive makes him weird, offbeat, and/or quirky. It was fun seeing him again, and I enjoyed seeing Sou Okuno play all the odd alternate versions of himself too, for what it's worth. But everything around that, I mean... how did we even get to the point where there's a Kamen Rider thing where the main villain of Zi-O cooks up Inves ribs to feed his starving students? I know that's ultimately a minor gag, more than anything, but it really seems emblematic of Inoue's attitude towards the script to both of these series. It doesn't feel like Inoue was writing this to tell a story with actual substance or some kind of deeper theme or message, even though he's great at that when he wants to be, nor does it feel like he was just trying to create a fun romp loaded with outrageous gags and over-the-top characterization, even though he's great at that when he wants to be. This is Inoue, as far as I can tell, writing whatever mostly to see if anyone will stop him, and I really wish someone had, to be honest! Zi-O left on such a great note, with a solid enough finale that packed in a nice sendoff for Decade, and an excellent V-Cinema that moved the story forward in a way that felt natural, and then this comes along and it's just weak. It's a story that has neither emotion nor logic, and it squanders the chance to do something more with a cast of characters I really love, not to mention a lead Rider who's become as iconic as Tsukasa has. What maybe most frustrates me is the thoughtless integration of both Decade and Zi-O's new forms. Give this project to Shimoyama or Mouri, and I guarantee you they would've built the story thematically to build up to the idea of these Heisei Riders fighting after their era is over taking on the powers of Reiwa. We'd have Narutaki getting super angry after finding out Decade now has the powers of two decades, only for Tsukasa to shut him up by taking it to an even more ridiculous extreme in the end or something. But instead, a suit as legitimately brilliant as Complete Form 21 (no matter what anyone says!) is just wasted, with no introduction, and not even any real time to show off before getting knocked aside. This is a rambling, angry post, and I'm kind of sorry about that, but it's hard to even know where to pick this thing apart when so much is wrong, and so little of it feels cohesive. I'm serious when I say I didn't like this. It only needed the barest little spark for me to cling to and say it was harmless fun, but this is a bad mini-series with a bad plot and lame action, that only exists to sucker people into signing up for TELASA. At least Kenshi Retsuden had some heart. The best thing I have to say about this, on the other hand, is that it's nice everyone got a second chance to buy a Neo DecaDriver.
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02-24-2021, 11:02 PM | #40 |
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I'm surprised you managed to write that up.
I just got... nothing, man. All I know is that Masahiro seems willing to come back for another shot at Decade, and him and some other people worked on this are hoping Complete 21 gets to do something good for the 50th. |
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