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08-29-2019, 10:11 AM | #641 |
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What crawled up your butt? I just stated the obvious. I didn't call anyone's opinion stupid, unlike you. Yes Star Wars became a merchandise beacon in the 2000's. George Lucas wanted to milk it for all its worth. That doesn't mean the movies were all that great. Plus the toy sales peaked during the Clone Wars TV show. Which was a popular show for the franchise. I didn't get into it but I acknowledge it's popularity and impact on the franchise.
A purely hyperbolic statement. You speak from emotion instead of the objective reality that The Last Jedi is no where near as popular or beloved as The Empire Strikes Back. It's your opinion that you liked the film. No one can take that away from you. But just as there are fans of The Room, at least they can accept objective reality that it's not a good film. Narratively, The Last Jedi is a piss poor film and adds nothing to the franchise. As a stand alone film it's an ok popcorn flick when you are looking to watch bad sci-fi/fantasy. But as a part of a franchise, well at least The Room didn't have anything to live up to. |
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What crawled up your butt? I just stated the obvious. I didn't call anyone's opinion stupid, unlike you. Yes Star Wars became a merchandise beacon in the 2000's. George Lucas wanted to milk it for all its worth. That doesn't mean the movies were all that great. Plus the toy sales peaked during the Clone Wars TV show. Which was a popular show for the franchise. I didn't get into it but I acknowledge it's popularity and impact on the franchise.
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A purely hyperbolic statement. You speak from emotion instead of the objective reality that The Last Jedi is no where near as popular or beloved as The Empire Strikes Back. It's your opinion that you liked the film. No one can take that away from you. But just as there are fans of The Room, at least they can accept objective reality that it's not a good film. Narratively, The Last Jedi is a piss poor film and adds nothing to the franchise. As a stand alone film it's an ok popcorn flick when you are looking to watch bad sci-fi/fantasy. But as a part of a franchise, well at least The Room didn't have anything to live up to.
Look, you can hate TLJ all you want, fine, for whatever reasons. But saying it killed Star Wars is just whining that because you didn't like it, no-one else is allowed to and anything else they make is just "money grabbing".
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08-29-2019, 12:19 PM | #643 |
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Last I checked, saying "Star Wars was killed by the prequels" was objectively wrong, considering it's still around, especially when you're acknowledging the popularity of Clone Wars right there. Just because you think it, doesn't make it "obvious". And George Lucas has been "milking" it since it began, there's a reason he took a cut of merchandise sales back from Star Wars. It's one of the reasons people saying Disney are making films "for the money" just makes me laugh - Star Wars has always been about making big toy bucks.
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Ah yes, a piss poor film... with 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, 7.1 on Imdb, greatly enjoyed by many people that aren't you. Seems legit. And if you really think it adds nothing to the franchise, you obviously missed all the stuff with the Jedi backstory, or the evolution of Luke's character. Not to mention all the sequel characters who the movie's actually about.
44% audience score. If the film in a franchise doesn't connect with audience then it fails to add to the franchise. Narratively it did nothing either. I never said TLJ killed Star Wars. Again look at the first paragraph of this response to you. Again I state you are speaking purely based on emotions. |
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Over a billion with a "B" dollars worldwide gross revenue though... yeah that's a clear indication it didn't connect with audiences. (Also the only movie since Solo was Solo and they made the extremely stupid decision to release right after TLJ - which was still showing in a good number of theaters- and right up against Infinity War so that *may* have something to do with Solo's underperfomance, but that's just me.)
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Yes because absolutely everyone who ever sees a movie immediately gets online and gives it a score.
Over a billion with a "B" dollars worldwide gross revenue though... yeah that's a clear indication it didn't connect with audiences. (Also the only movie since Solo was Solo and they made the extremely stupid decision to release right after TLJ - which was still showing in a good number of theaters- and right up against Infinity War so that *may* have something to do with Solo's underperfomance, but that's just me.) |
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08-29-2019, 10:03 PM | #646 |
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Yes because absolutely everyone who ever sees a movie immediately gets online and gives it a score.
Over a billion with a "B" dollars worldwide gross revenue though... yeah that's a clear indication it didn't connect with audiences. (Also the only movie since Solo was Solo and they made the extremely stupid decision to release right after TLJ - which was still showing in a good number of theaters- and right up against Infinity War so that *may* have something to do with Solo's underperfomance, but that's just me.) |
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People wanted to see the follow up to Force Awakens. It naturally was going to make a ton of money. That doesn’t mean it would be well received. The Transformers films makes money hand over fist yet gets terrible critic and audience reception. But there was one too many bad films in the franchise and people stopped caring. Same could happen to Star Wars.
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08-30-2019, 06:47 AM | #649 |
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*Sees Mandalorian trailer*
Congratulations Mr. Mandalorian you now have my money. That said, unleash thy merch.
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Not at first. George Lucas expected it to flop. He only got toy sales because Fox also expected it to flop so George was like why not keep the toy rights if Fox doesn't want them? And about killing franchises, just because something is still around doesn't mean it's a thriving entity. For example Voltron never truly went away. It's had many different toy and series incarnation from the original Japanese anime GoLion and Dairugger to it's most recent incarnation on Netflix. Its toy license has hopped around from Bandai to Mattel to Playmates. It peaked in 1984-1985 and quickly became overshaddowed by Transformers and later Power Rangers. It's effectively a dead franchise. Other examples include The Jetsons and The Flintstones. Two well known Hanna-Barbara properties (now owned by Warner Bros.) that have never left the public eye but are nevertheless dead franchises that don't appear anywhere in entertainment besides niche projects. Star Wars in terms of a narrative died with Attack of the Clones. The films financially have diminished since Solo. Toy sales are also down. If Disney doesn't do something the franchise could face obscurity. That's what death of a franchise means. It doesn't mean it disappears. It means it stops being a cash cow, so merchandising diminishes.
And if you really think Star Wars is going to head to obscurity... really? Ewan McGregor returning has gotten nothing but popular response, same with the Mandalorian. Cartoon fans are excited for Clone Wars Series 7. Star Wars toys are easily findable on toy shelves over here. The fact this threas is active again is proof of some popularity still existant (instad of it being full of people going "they're still making these, huh?) Again, just because you seem to dislike it doesn't mean it's dying. And as Tali said, TLJ made 1.3 billion dollars. That's not just "people wanted to see TFA2" money, because if it had sucked, people wouldn't have bothered seeing it (See Godzilla 2 for example). Quote:
44% audience score. If the film in a franchise doesn't connect with audience then it fails to add to the franchise. Narratively it did nothing either.
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