|
Community Links |
Members List |
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
|
Thread Tools |
03-13-2022, 10:50 PM | #121 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: World of Ataru
Posts: 857
|
Quote:
So, here's the part that makes me madder at this new piece of information than literally anything else in this show: it means Kamen Riders objectively make everything worse. If every single apocalyptic villain and every single rampaging monster can be eliminated because one single hero never gained their powers, Narutaki from Decade was right: Kamen Riders are the villains of these shows.
I hate that idea so much.
__________________
|
03-14-2022, 01:11 AM | #122 |
I have a problematic type
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 10,410
|
I really don't remember much about these episodes, to be honest. We'd gotten so much post-show content that seeing Hiiro and Emu again didn't feel as special as some of the other cameos would. Both felt like themselves, too, unlike what we got with Sento and Banjou. That left the episodes without a lot to stand out on the tribute front and the main plot was still working on developing the main characters. I don't dislike these episodes, but when I look back on the show they don't leave much of a lasting imprint on me.
|
03-14-2022, 03:42 AM | #123 |
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 2,547
|
And now I’ll mention something I didn’t mention in last episode’s compare and contrast. Emu respects doctors because they saved his life as a child, while Ida hates doctors, because they failed to save the life of his child. But, that’s what happens when you infect every available donor with an incurable disease. They become unusable (He clearly didn’t think this through).
Also, we see Heure’s Time Mazine. If it looks unusual compared to the ones used by our main duo, it’s because theirs are bikes that turn into Riders, while his is a pirate ship that turns into an iguana (I’m sure you can figure out the reference there). Join us next time, when we go to high school and… something about Leonids… Oh, I’m sorry, I’m recapping too far ahead. |
03-14-2022, 09:58 AM | #124 |
Kaiju or Hero?
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Even I Don't Know Anymore.
Posts: 1,397
|
The Ex-Aid Armor looks cool... That's about it.
To be honest, while I don't think this arc was particularly bad, it doesn't stand out to me as much. I liked seeing Uuru's (Weure? Uolu? Whatever!) Time Majin, The Ex-Aid Armor, especially the neat little detail of the "Hit!" effects being in Katakana, as is Zi-O's motif, or that he has Gashacon Smasher fists, but nothing I have much to talk about here. As for the Rider Erasure thing. It's as you say, I don't really like it much, nor does it make sense for Brave to be erased. Sure, you could chock it up as "Sougo inherits the powers of all the Riders, connected or otherwise," but that's still going to have problems down the road. I get they didn't want people to assume "then one of the other Riders could fill in," and yet even that doesn't work, especially for shows where the central protagonist is relevant to the plot. Sorry I don't have much to say about this arc but given how long it's been since I saw Zi-O, and how little this arc stands out to me, there's not much I can bring up. But on another note, I love the design scheme for the Ridewatches, which are very clever and aesthetically pleasing, with some great sound effects. I also really love the Zikuu Driver and how it spins for the transformation, I don't know why, but I love it. |
03-14-2022, 12:18 PM | #125 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
Quote:
I always viewed this as less it's the Kamen Rider fault and more well if the main protagnist isn't here there is no story to be told type of deal. And the show makes a story about why the Rider matters so I can't see them as villians. And even if they are dosen't that ties backt o idea of Kamen Rider in the first place being born from evil but trying to do good.
Quote:
Quote:
It's okay! Despite this being a real important story for me -- the good introduction to Kamen Rider Zi-O -- I can see how it might not stick in the memories of most viewers. It's not a huge story, or particularly clever in its plotting. But I love Ex-Aid, and I loved how this story defined its recurring cast. Hopefully I'll remember it!
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
03-14-2022, 12:47 PM | #126 |
Standing By
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: USA
Posts: 2,091
|
I've been a little busy balancing five different Tokusatsu shows to post much in this thread. But I definitely intend to give my thoughts on the next arc!
Quote:
That last line of your Sougo defense would probably be the first line in my prosecution of Sougo. Him disregarding the potential intensely negative consequences of his actions is-- is bad! Is very bad! To have a character start down a path that could lead towards genocide for reasons that amount to A Gut Feeling, and look two people in the face and go Sucks To Be You? That's not what I want from my title character in the first episode! Anything but that!
Quote:
Man, I really like Woz'z opening recap, and him skipping ahead a little bit into the upcoming episode. The first time he did it, I totally fell for it. I was super confused, thinking I'd completely forgotten the end of the previous episode. (It's not impossible! My memory is real bad!) It's a good gag.
Quote:
Quote:
Also, unpopular opinion, but I like the uncle (he's right there with Wizard's Shunpei). Sure, it's a bit of a shame his knowledge of the previous Riders was cut, but I still find him strangely likable? He just has this kind old uncle aura, something so mundane and normal in contrast to time travelers and the like, and yet, I can't help but enjoy this guy.
__________________
心 と 刃 |
03-14-2022, 02:01 PM | #127 |
Kaiju or Hero?
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Even I Don't Know Anymore.
Posts: 1,397
|
Quote:
It's okay! Despite this being a real important story for me -- the good introduction to Kamen Rider Zi-O -- I can see how it might not stick in the memories of most viewers. It's not a huge story, or particularly clever in its plotting. But I love Ex-Aid, and I loved how this story defined its recurring cast. Hopefully I'll remember it!
|
03-14-2022, 02:31 PM | #128 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 318
|
Ok, second arc.
Still not one I generally like, but it is an improvement and I do agree, these three dinguses are a joy to watch. One of the reasons why I love this cast so much. The other bits I still keep to myself until they become relevant, which I very much look forward to. As for the erassure thing. It doesn't just erase all the bad that happened in the show, it also erasses all the good they have done. All the people they helped, changed and affected. While yes, a lot of suffering is erassed, a lot of good is also removed. Like in any history, people lose and people win. And the world is left a it less for its removal, but at the same time, that removal is preverable to its perversion through others. At least that's how I see it.
__________________
|
03-14-2022, 02:33 PM | #129 |
Sole Sane Man/Instigator
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 35
|
I've always interpreted the whole Kamen Rider powers thing as one where the events are erased since the most necessary rider no longer exists. Brave may have been one of the first Kamen Riders to combat the Bugsters, but it wasn't until Emu became Ex-Aid that we would eventually learned of the truth behind the Bugsters, and actually managed to defeat the main antagonists who would of perpetuate it.
If Eiji hadn't become OOOs, then there wouldn't be anyone suitable enough to fight against the Greed in part due to Maki's interference. If Ryotaro hadn't become Den-O, then the Imagin would have been able to continue wrecking time at their own pace. If Gentarou never went to Amanogawa High School and became Kamen Rider Fourze, then there would never be that high-spirited kid who would manage to gain power via friendship and defeat the Zodiarts. The main Riders are the ones who end up setting up the events that would lead to the defeat of their main antagonist groups, in part due to their outlooks and capabilities. Without them around, chances are victory wouldn't be as high against these villains.
__________________
Infinite Impossibilities! Miraculous Fantasy! Rebuild the Reality! Kamen Rider Mirai! Mi~rai! |
03-14-2022, 02:56 PM | #130 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
Quote:
Quote:
As for the erassure thing. It doesn't just erase all the bad that happened in the show, it also erasses all the good they have done. All the people they helped, changed and affected. While yes, a lot of suffering is erassed, a lot of good is also removed. Like in any history, people lose and people win. And the world is left a it less for its removal, but at the same time, that removal is preverable to its perversion through others.
At least that's how I see it. Quote:
I've always interpreted the whole Kamen Rider powers thing as one where the events are erased since the most necessary rider no longer exists. Brave may have been one of the first Kamen Riders to combat the Bugsters, but it wasn't until Emu became Ex-Aid that we would eventually learned of the truth behind the Bugsters, and actually managed to defeat the main antagonists who would of perpetuate it.
If Eiji hadn't become OOOs, then there wouldn't be anyone suitable enough to fight against the Greed in part due to Maki's interference. If Ryotaro hadn't become Den-O, then the Imagin would have been able to continue wrecking time at their own pace. If Gentarou never went to Amanogawa High School and became Kamen Rider Fourze, then there would never be that high-spirited kid who would manage to gain power via friendship and defeat the Zodiarts. The main Riders are the ones who end up setting up the events that would lead to the defeat of their main antagonist groups, in part due to their outlooks and capabilities. Without them around, chances are victory wouldn't be as high against these villains. It's an unnecessary and preventable problem. The rules of time travel and causality are unprovable, so the show could've come up with any number of conclusions where Sougo and pals aren't eliminating fan favorite characters or opening a narrative can of worms and then walking away with a sense of accomplishment. And, like, that's the weird way this show could have its cake and eat it too: just acknowledge that this is a bummer outcome. Have Sougo (or Tsukuyomi!) talk about how horrible this is for the Legend Riders, and that you'll eventually put things right. To ignore the consequences is to negate the consequences, and that super sucks. I don't know! I got a lot of problems with this stuff!
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
|
TokuNation News & Rumors |
Figuarts/Seihou GRIDMAN |
SH Figuarts BoonBoomger Red |
Hasbro Licenses Power Rangers Toys to Playmates Toys |
Discotek Media Licenses Mobile Cop Jiban |
What's going on with CSM? |
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:55 PM.
|