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09-05-2021, 02:10 PM | #31 |
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- Going to actually attempt to keep my thoughts concise this year because man did I go overboard on Saber. Bullet points worked the last time we had a pink Rider, so that's what I'm doing here!
- Pink is a really fun color for a Kamen Rider to be, by the way. Love Revi's whole palette. - Really strong premiere all around. Stylistically, it feels like Revice could've been the show after Fourze or OOO and it'd fit right into that whole era. It's got that same emphasis on weird energy, and yet you can already see the hints of how they're probably going to use these silly ideas to deliver some surprisingly thoughtful drama down the line. It feels like Kamen Rider, and that's about right for the anniversary. - I don't think I made a peep about any of the Revice announcements, but I am really into the premise of this show. A hero powered by a demon is an extremely Rider-y concept, and historically speaking, Rider shows that put a partnership at the forefront tend to turn out pretty good. I've slowly been coming around to Vice, and his dynamic with Ikki is sure to keep things very lively. - In general, I think the structure of this one worked pretty well. It frontloads a ton of exposition to quickly establish the conflict in just the first couple minutes, which sort of frees the rest of the runtime up nicely, and it does a good job demonstrating things by showing them in places, too. Really loved Vice being let off the leash prior to Ikki using the belt, and how that gets across the need to have them fighting as a pair. Ikki has no power without Vice, and Vice has no restraint without Ikki. Like, beautiful, we've got ourselves a premise! - The action was cool! Felt like there was a good budget behind it, some almost Sugihara-esque shots from Shibasaki, and, again, I'm kind of warming up to Vice. The fourth-wall breaking shtick is probably meant to be part of a whole thing about him basically being excited to actually exist and be noticed, so on top of making things weirder, I'm pretty sure it's making a point about the character, and it's always good when the action, the comedy, and the story can all be in sync that way.
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09-05-2021, 03:28 PM | #32 |
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Hey hey hey hey HEY!
That was a much better impression than Saber's post-finale. I guess it was just Uchida underselling them before. Ikki trying to punch Vice and passing it off as shadowboxing when Daiji shows up was pretty humorous. Appropriate as well, considering how Vice is basically a shadow personality of Ikki. Kinoshita can clearly do comedy right. I'm curious about the prerequisite for using the Revice Driver. What trait is required for someone to control their devil? Hiromi even gave a pretty heroic declaration before his attempt, but that wasn't enough to henshin. Daiji's hesitation was also intriguing to me. Despite George deeming him viable, was he afraid he wouldn't be able to control his devil? Maybe it's connected to Ikki's conscious awareness of Vice's existence, since George was quickly able to evaluate his potential. The physical form Vice initially took after Ikki stamped himself was strange as well, since he didn't assume the tyrannosaurus design from the stamp until Ikki used the Driver. Is there something special about Vice, or rather his host, Ikki? As others have speculated, Vice trying to eat Yukimi (while wearing a mask, which makes even less sense than Magine eating sakura mochi without a mouth) seems to be a result of Ikki's suppressed grudge towards his family due to letting the onsen hold him back from his passion for soccer, which he has in common with Souma Haruto. The devil seems to be all impulse and no restraint, acting according to people's evil desires. The debut fight was pretty standard, but I've totally been spoiled by the awesome CGI Wonder World fights early in Saber. So going back to basics is going to take a little time for me to get accustomed to that again. Quote:
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From what I understand, Izu's goal is to be a midpoint between the classic kisama-tachi TV-Nihon direct translation and the full localization of pretty much everyone else. Hence the inclusion of honorifics and Japanese attack names. I didn't mind it on Saber, but episode one of Revice drops the word "combi" into a sentence and that automatically has me looking forward to an alternative. That's a really specific pet peeve of mine from old school TVN and I will not put up with it.
My annoyance with them in this premiere of Revice is their inconsistent translation of "akuma". They mostly translate it as demon, but change it to devil for exactly one line when Vice is offering his deal to Ikki. But I think they get the job done better than GENM CORP ever did, so I'm grateful for that.
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09-05-2021, 03:46 PM | #33 |
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Uhm... As far as I'm aware, combi IS an English word. It sure as hell shows up in the dictionary.
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09-05-2021, 03:55 PM | #34 |
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COMBI ADJECTIVE 1. denoting a machine that has two or more uses or functions a combi oven a combi fridge/freezer a combi boiler NOUN 2. a vehicle or aircraft that has two or more possible uses, for example to carry passengers or to transport goods It's just very context specific, and even if it meant any combination it's still not something most English speakers say, especially in the context it was used in this episode, so it always looks kinda off I do sort of have a pet peeve with combi too so maybe I'm biased, idk, it just feels like combo sounds more natural in English so why not change it? I get combi is based on the English word combination, but loan words in Japan don't always have the same meaning or ring to them as in English. For example in a lot of anime (I especially heard it a lot in dragon ball super) characters will often describe a really dire situation where people could die using the phrase "pinchi" literally a loan from the English phrase "pinch" but as in "we're in a real pinch!" but that would be a weird thing to say in English if a space monster was killing people or whatever, you know? So it makes sense to leave out the English word in the English translation for something that sounds more natural In that case (usually it'd just translated to "we're in trouble" or smth like that in the case of pinchi, at least from what I've seen) that's how I feel about combi as well, it's just better to localize it to smth that sounds natural, I get honourifcs and such because they can add context to scenes and be hard to translate, but I think it's best to keep translations natural sounding or it can really take some people out of the moment Last edited by TheJaz; 09-05-2021 at 04:04 PM.. |
09-05-2021, 04:04 PM | #35 |
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Huh.
Weird, did not know that. Probably because combi actually is used in that context in German and I'm not a native English speaker.
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09-05-2021, 04:11 PM | #36 |
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09-05-2021, 04:21 PM | #37 |
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They got a guy from the extermination team in the cast, AND the inner demon of someone tries to eat his mother? Man, as someone who finally sat down and watched Amazons a few months ago and ended up loving Season 2 this premiere is gift-wrapped for me!
In all seriousness, this was... kinda just fine for me. Admittedly I was putting a lot of expectations on it -- Saber didn't do much for me and Zero-One was, uh. Frustrating? Frustrating for me. So Zi-O was the last time I really truly had fun with Kamen Rider, and Revice being an anniversary season that also looked absolutely bonkers? There's a lot of weight for this one to carry for me personally! And what I got was... well, didn't blow me away, but I'm sure as heck having fun. The worldbuilding is pretty well-packed as others have said; the set-up of Ikki and Vice's relationship is already decently established (it's basically Den-O episode 1 if Momotaros was fucked up and evil), and what stuck out the most to me was how WILD the fights are. Like, wow; I thought Vice was supposed to be the feral one here but Ikki's just going all out smashing walls and roundhouse kicking mooks by their necks and it's like-- GOD this is going to be an intense season, huh?! I guess just for me I don't quite have a strong grasp on everything for me to truly fall in love just yet. But there is of course a lot of different things going on here, so I'm very willing to let the next few episodes expand on them. Not the strongest start, but hardly the weakest either; and really, I'm enjoying myself at the end of the day. Looking forward to the rest of the show!
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09-05-2021, 04:24 PM | #38 |
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09-05-2021, 04:25 PM | #39 |
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Oh, uh, on IzuSubs... I used them for Saber once Genm stopped, and I had no issues there; but I am starting to see what people are saying about them being slightly stilted. I do get it though, and ultimately they seem alright at worst to me.
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09-05-2021, 04:45 PM | #40 |
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Izu subs is reliable, and to an extent that is what we have currently.
I have my own issues with the subs, but again, speedy and reliable, they do cut comments from background characters at times, even if they are in the direct scene, which is sad. I say they, but is just one person is it not ? Last edited by DecoyBlackMage; 09-05-2021 at 04:49 PM.. |
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