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08-14-2018, 12:35 PM | #41 |
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Kind of yeah, I assume the people of the two worlds will “fuse” and they ones who don’t exist in one will take their place.
Sentou will remain as Taro Satou with Takumi Katsuragi’s mind, but the other universe will have un-fused versions of Taro and Katsuragi so all three will exist, similarly the Gentoku and Kazumin of the other world will take the place of the ones that died in ours, and since they won’t have had the same journey with the cast they won’t recognize them. But I hope that in the end they at least hint that some of their memories have carried over in some way. |
08-14-2018, 01:01 PM | #42 |
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Kind of yeah, I assume the people of the two worlds will “fuse” and they ones who don’t exist in one will take their place.
Sentou will remain as Taro Satou with Takumi Katsuragi’s mind, but the other universe will have un-fused versions of Taro and Katsuragi so all three will exist, similarly the Gentoku and Kazumin of the other world will take the place of the ones that died in ours, and since they won’t have had the same journey with the cast they won’t recognize them. But I hope that in the end they at least hint that some of their memories have carried over in some way. Rethinking about that. A lot of Build does seem like references to "Eyes of Mars." Otoya's actor is the Sean Bean of Kamen Rider. So you might want to get used to that. Last edited by Librarian; 08-14-2018 at 01:06 PM.. |
08-14-2018, 01:21 PM | #43 |
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Well - sounds like a V-Cinema kinda story to me
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08-14-2018, 03:20 PM | #44 |
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How am I a psychopath? Just because I may want to say cause thousands to have unrelenting nighmares just by staring at them or maybe sing in a rain shower of blood in the glow of the full moon. I mean wouldn't that sound enjoyable to anyone?
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08-14-2018, 04:13 PM | #45 |
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Kind of yeah, I assume the people of the two worlds will “fuse” and they ones who don’t exist in one will take their place.
Sentou will remain as Taro Satou with Takumi Katsuragi’s mind, but the other universe will have un-fused versions of Taro and Katsuragi so all three will exist, similarly the Gentoku and Kazumin of the other world will take the place of the ones that died in ours, and since they won’t have had the same journey with the cast they won’t recognize them. But I hope that in the end they at least hint that some of their memories have carried over in some way. |
08-14-2018, 04:16 PM | #46 |
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Maybe~
Or a later follow up special because of how well the show has done. Quote:
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But likely I'd go with the dopplegangers get the memories and any major physical alterations from those still alive, while the ones deceased get faint memory traces. So Sento will either merge too and keep his current face. Or won't merge at all and his dopplegangers will still exist in the same world. We don't know how Stalk's face transformation works fully either. If it's only surface or if it's full DNA change. Full DNA change would mean his merge doppleganger is who matches his face, not who he was. And then there's the quantum question of how different he is from his alternates too. He may not have an exact match that forces a merge because of those alterations done to him by Stalk. I'm guessing it's full DNA though, or that would have come up already previously during the attempts to catch the real murderer. Or maybe it did and I already forgot. Depends on how they fully approach it. Last edited by Librarian; 08-14-2018 at 04:28 PM.. |
08-14-2018, 05:03 PM | #47 |
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*Sees everyone having an elaborate discussion about the nature of alternate realities merging into one and the effect that would have on the cast's mortality rate*
I don't have any clue how that aspect of the plot is going to play out myself, but what I will say is that, simply based on how HARD this episode wants to rub in that this is it for ol' Kazumin, I think there's a very solid chance he won't actually be coming back. Although my feelings here might be colored by the fact that I don't really want to see him back. I know this is a bit rich coming from someone who loves Ryuki and Ghost, but something about the gritty war drama aspect of Build makes the idea of bringing back characters who were unambiguously killed a lot less palatable than in a show like Ex-Aid. Like, if merging worlds is an excuse to bring Grease back, does that mean all his buddies would be back with him? Is Gentoku's dad gonna be running the country? Is Sento not actually going to have to bother making peace with his role in all this tragedy? Happy endings are great and all, but I'm not sure one that extreme would make for a more satisfying story in this case. Mind you, I could be eating my words here in two weeks. Build's been a great show, and if they can convince me having friggin' Utsumi be a Rider was a good idea, they can probably pull whatever ending they've got planned off.
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On a (darkly) comedic note, I just realised you can technically make a Ghost/Robot build form.
Moving on from that, this is, honestly, a pretty perfect episode. It made me care about Utsumi, of all people. I literally forgot he was a rider the other day until I saw he had a SODO coming out. Kazumi got such a perfect send-off, I'll almost be happy if he stays dead. That final scene, with nothing but the sound of the wind. It's so simple, but it worked, damn it. Farewell, Greasy Boy. You won't be forgotten.
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08-14-2018, 05:39 PM | #49 |
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*Sees everyone having an elaborate discussion about the nature of alternate realities merging into one and the effect that would have on the cast's mortality rate*
I don't have any clue how that aspect of the plot is going to play out myself, but what I will say is that, simply based on how HARD this episode wants to rub in that this is it for ol' Kazumin, I think there's a very solid chance he won't actually be coming back. Although my feelings here might be colored by the fact that I don't really want to see him back. I know this is a bit rich coming from someone who loves Ryuki and Ghost, but something about the gritty war drama aspect of Build makes the idea of bringing back characters who were unambiguously killed a lot less palatable than in a show like Ex-Aid. Like, if merging worlds is an excuse to bring Grease back, does that mean all his buddies would be back with him? Is Gentoku's dad gonna be running the country? Is Sento not actually going to have to bother making peace with his role in all this tragedy? Happy endings are great and all, but I'm not sure one that extreme would make for a more satisfying story in this case. Mind you, I could be eating my words here in two weeks. Build's been a great show, and if they can convince me having friggin' Utsumi be a Rider was a good idea, they can probably pull whatever ending they've got planned off. That's why it's more likely they'll be back. The deeper the loss, the more triumphant or relief causing the return. Gentoku's dad may be alive, but he won't be ruling or maybe even in politics. He might be a mabo curry chef. Or anything between from in politics to a school janitor. Alternate reality doesn't mean they'll all have the same occupations they did. Grease's friends may still be alive in the alt world too. May even all be friends, but aren't in the military. Some things will be similar like sometimes a genius character is still a genius in a different reality, but sometimes even that is questionable. Think of it like "Sliders". An evacuation to an alternate world would be dopplegangers living alongside their alternate selves. If the worlds merge though, the 'quantum signatures of occupying space' might merge. It can go either way. The problem with world's merging though is that it should carry the bad guy over too. But again, depends on how they do it. But for a happy ending, I can see them easily having everyone that died back alive as their dopplegangers with little to no memory of their other selves, ending on some kind of nod of similarities but differences leaving the audience wondering. Multiverse theory does mean alternate versions of everyone may or may not exist depending on where or why the world exists as slightly different from the choices made on that world that weren't made on theirs. Like Stalk and his daughter could both exist over there as a happy family that runs a café. Speaking of her, I have a feeling she'll be one of those that won't merge because of the alterations to her from Pandora's box. Her, Stalk, and Sento stand out the most in that regard, maybe Banjou too. Though Banjou's lost love may exist over there and could either already be married to his alternate self, or has never met the alternate. "Sliders" and how that parallel world theory works is the best way to think about it. But do keep in mind, that's traveling to an alternate world, not merging two worlds. So there will be some differences. |
08-14-2018, 05:50 PM | #50 |
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Speaking of her, I have a feeling she'll be one of those that won't merge because of the alterations to her from Pandora's box. Her, Stalk, and Sento stand out the most in that regard, maybe Banjou too. Though Banjou's lost love may exist over there and could either already be married to his alternate self, or has never met the alternate.
"Sliders" and how that parallel world theory works is the best way to think about it. But do keep in mind, that's traveling to an alternate world, not merging two worlds. So there will be some differences. And then you have Sento and Banjou, broken from months of war, everyone they know having changed or forgotten them, able to remembed all the death and destruction, with nowhere to go. No-one to turn to, but each other, as they wonder the Earth, fighting, because even in this new Earth, someone still needs to fight. Not for honour, not for glory, but for Love and Peace.
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