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10-25-2020, 05:14 PM | #421 |
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Just popping in real quick to say I'm still very behind on this show, and that I've always been drawn to Kabuki's design since I first found out about Kamen Rider around when Decade was airing. I never really figured out why he was a bad guy, so knowing now that it's nuanced and interesting is great.
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10-25-2020, 07:16 PM | #422 |
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Just popping in real quick to say I'm still very behind on this show, and that I've always been drawn to Kabuki's design since I first found out about Kamen Rider around when Decade was airing. I never really figured out why he was a bad guy, so knowing now that it's nuanced and interesting is great.
As Kurona said, he's the sort of emotionally damaged former hero that, if they got introduced early in a show's run, you could expect them to have a full redemption arc by Episode 30.
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10-25-2020, 08:11 PM | #423 |
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Plus the complexity of his character is directly reflected in the asymmetrical design with the notably more angry looking red side of his face and spike jutting out of his shoulder!
And as someone who thinks Kikaider is one of the best character designs ever, I'm always more than happy to see asymmetry that's both fashionable and functional. I said it once already, but I legitimately think "a newfound appreciation for Kabuki" is going to be one of my big takeaways from this thread.
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10-25-2020, 08:22 PM | #424 |
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10-25-2020, 08:23 PM | #425 |
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Crosses fingers for SHODO-O Kabuki
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10-25-2020, 08:47 PM | #426 |
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oh man kiriya
you guys why didn't you tell me to just start watching at 30 there will be a lot of discussion about kiriya tonight still only my second favorite kiriya in kamen rider but it is close
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10-25-2020, 09:15 PM | #427 |
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 30 - "PREMONITION OF TRAINING"
"And like good songs, they can always be sung To the tune of another song" -Roddy Woomble, "A New Day Has Begun" I don't know what it is I'm supposed to dislike about this era. Is it in this episode? Is it yet to come? Because I thought this was pretty fantastic. I love how the opening of this episode reimagines the opening of the first episode. Where that was Asumu on his bike, happy for another day, embraced by the world; this one is him on his bike, but in conflict, uncertain. The world has left him alone, and he's forced to defend his place in the narrative from an interloper. Kiriya, though, right? Holy shit, I didn't expect Inoue to sign his work so quickly. Of course the brand-new character is this hilariously condescending prick, eager to show off and still let you know how bored he is at showing off. It's such a stupidly broad character, with him being the best musician/francophone/gamesman/mangaka/poolshark, as well as a rich dilettante and a spoiled brat and an abandoned child and a snotty jerk. He's a lot, and he definitely represents the volume on this show getting turned the eff up. And, y'know, I'm okay with it. There's a subtle (and occasionally unsubtle) critique of the previous era of Hibiki here, asking through the lens of Asumu's character if things were maybe a little too nice before. Asumu sees the awesomeness of Kiriya, and the ways his horrible personality makes him interesting, and wonders if he's too bland and boring. I really like that the show opts to ask that question at the start of its new era. I was afraid that an Inoue era of this show would suddenly pivot to All Oni All The Time, and that's just not what's here. What's here is a story about a teenage boy being challenged, and trying to understand himself better. Kiriya massively helps flesh out Asumu's side of the story by putting some meat on the bone. Asumu's a very sweet kid, who has very sweet mentors and guardians. But what if there were some Pretty Well-Trained person his own age who sucked? Just was the worst? What would that inspire Asumu to do? What lessons would he learn from that kid? I love how Kiriya becomes, like, Dark Hibiki, the devil on Asumu's shoulder. It's not exactly leading him down a dark path, but it's more... if Hibiki's the paragon of What Is Best In Man, Kiriya exists to question all that, to make being selfish and dismissive seem rewarding. I'm just really into the ways Kiriya brings (hilarious) conflict into Asumu's tranquil, potentially boring existence. I get that it's a change from how nice the series was previously, but there's newfound tension to Asumu's journey that I'm very into. And, y'know, there's still plenty of Oni action if you're into that! Well, not plenty. About as much as is normal in the first part of a Hibiki two-parter. We've dispensed (for good?) with the normal slow build-up of research and camping and lieutenants, with a new Monster Suit Makamou just showing up and murdering people. There's no feeding, or incubation, or any of the normal Makamou storytelling. What's here is your typical Kamen Rider storytelling of Rider Rolls Up On Monster, for better or worse. Honestly, I didn't mind it. I thought this was more high-octane (Akira DIVES off of a moving motorcycle, Ibuki LAUNCHES his bike into the air to attack the Makamou), and while that's not how grounded the show usually treats the fighting, I thought it was pretty exciting. It's different, for sure, and maybe even wrong... but also fun? And that was this whole episode to me: fun. There's a whole plotline where Hibiki has to work in the restaurant! And he pitches his new movie to patrons! How am I supposed to be mad at that? Yeah, I... I'm sorry if you were expecting me to bemoan the many ways this series lost its insightfulness, or discarded its uniqueness. There are aesthetic changes (a few) and tonal changes (a bunch), but it still felt like a show where a teenage boy is trying to become a man, and also there are monsters. I still felt like I was watching Kamen Rider Hibiki, and I had a good time doing so.
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10-25-2020, 09:22 PM | #428 |
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I agree that I didn't find the second part of Hibiki bad in any way. A bit different, but it didn't seem the dramatically different show that fans of either half seem to think it is. There are changed sure, and the original course of the show, whatever that would have been never did happen, but the results don't feel that bad to me? I don't know. I've never understood the people who hated either half.
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10-25-2020, 09:29 PM | #429 |
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I agree that I didn't find the second part of Hibiki bad in any way. A bit different, but it didn't seem the dramatically different show that fans of either half seem to think it is. There are changed sure, and the original course of the show, whatever that would have been never did happen, but the results don't feel that bad to me? I don't know. I've never understood the people who hated either half.
This was a really pleasant surprise, for the first Inoue episode!
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10-25-2020, 09:34 PM | #430 |
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OK the 2nd half where finally here. And I think it's time to lay my feelings about it bare in an analogy that hopefully works.
I go down to Ricobene's to get my usual deep dish sasuage pizza. When I noticed that they changed the flour they used for the dough goes from a wheat to corn strach and the sasuage wasn't from the local farms but from another state. And then they added an extra ingrediant chili peppers into the pizza. Not only that but the pizza dough was still a bit raw from not being cooked enough. That's the best way I can describe the 2nd half of Hibiki. It was always going to be a challenge for me to accept the show going forward but the ideas the 2nd half brought weren't bad and I could've excepted the replaced ideas with time but that's just it the production was rushed and it never felt like they worked out kinks at the end. I know this alot of negatives amd I don't wanna make it seem like your wrong for having a postive first impression of the 2nd half this is just how I feel and I'm going to see how your opinions changed as we get more into the controversial stuff. And don't worry I won't be all negative despite the rushed productions there still things that I want to praise the 2nd half for. Cuz this is still a pizza even a bit raw and different still has some parts tthat I enjoy!
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