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03-30-2020, 06:21 PM | #231 |
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I feel like I'm going to get a version of that when I watch Blade, and the first few times I see Garren it'll be impossible to take him seriously. He's the conniving principal from Fourze, not some hero! (I don't know anything about Garren, so maybe he's also a conniving principal? If so, please ignore this paragraph.)
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03-30-2020, 06:23 PM | #232 |
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Ooh, ooh! This line is actually even better than it looks from those subs.
His exact line in Japanese is 俺は止めを迷ったりしないけどいいよね? which directly translated is more like "I won't hesitate to kill you, but that's fine, right?" Like he's so dedicated to being a smarmy little s***, he just has to work in making fun of Ren not being able to go through with murder every time they talk, even though that's the only reason he's still around and able to talk smack. Wonderful characterization as always. "Hey, hey, get a load of this loser! Had me totally defeated and wouldn't even stab me to death! Can you believe this guy? What an idiot."
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03-30-2020, 06:42 PM | #233 |
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Heck I remember hearing about Suda talking with his agency buddy Matsuzaka who played Takeru/Shinken Red in Shinkenger(Seriously this should be one of your future Kamen Rider Die Reviews alongside Liveman) about fun times filming Kamen Rider W and Shinkenger and just goes to show, they have become big time but they still love being heroes(Please review Shinkenger Die ).
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Ooh, ooh! This line is actually even better than it looks from those subs.
His exact line in Japanese is 俺は止めを迷ったりしないけどいいよね? which directly translated is more like "I won't hesitate to kill you, but that's fine, right?" Like he's so dedicated to being a smarmy little s***, he just has to work in making fun of Ren not being able to go through with murder every time they talk, even though that's the only reason he's still around and able to talk smack. Wonderful characterization as always. "Hey, hey, get a load of this loser! Had me totally defeated and wouldn't even stab me to death! Can you believe this guy? What an idiot."
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03-31-2020, 01:43 AM | #234 |
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All of the main storyline kills, though. Shibaura’s manipulation to get all six Riders in one place to fight, it’s incredibly exciting. Shinji gets a bunch of big ol’ hero moments (he’s holding that kid’s hand after they’ve both been knocked out!!!), Asakura luxuriates in his menace, Kitaoka gets to confront Asakura while a billion cameras watch
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Everyone else, all the other Riders, pretty much do what they do best. Everyone’s in-character in this one, and while nothing was surprising, every action the other Riders took made sense. I got why they were involving themselves, what they hoped to achieve. That’s tough to do with six Riders, and it’s laudable that eighteen episodes got us to such a rich cast.
And who made the fight a mess in the first place, Kitaoka? And don't kill me for this one but to me, I think Ouja, Rider wise isn't my favorite in design. He's better than Gai and Raia IMO, but I don't like his design as much as the others (Ryuki and Scissors are debatable though). Same for his Final Vent, I know it's a bicycle kick but the movement IMO is like someone helplessly waving their body around due to falling from heights, which makes it quite silly to me especially for a serious hardened Rider. The end of the episode is one of the best showdowns, a Rider with their huge serpent-themed monster facing off. And Shinji still calls out Ouja for killing Gai (like Emu feeling bad for Kuroto's death), while Tezuka (who wants to change all Riders) seems just didn't care. Shibaura's death is also, an ironic death like Scissors. He wants to manipulate other Riders to fight each other AND he thinks that he can manipulate Asakura too, but at the end, he's the one getting manipulated instead by the people he thought will manipulate, Asakura, by using him as a human shield to Zolda's Final Vent. Gai is the best Guard Vent! Quote:
So, first, I do not at all understand what was going on with Yui being held hostage or whatever.
(She’s just standing against a wall with her arms folded when Tezuka runs up, like she’s waiting for a table at a busy restaurant. She looks mildly inconvenienced by her circumstances. I don’t understand what she’s doing there.) but in this episode she’s worthless. She’s a victim, in basically every scene Quote:
All of the Shiro stuff, it’s just the same beat of plaintive whining, drippy nonsense where she’s begging a mirror ghost for answers. There’re steps in the right direction, where Yui’s being more active in getting answers by investigating(-ish) the Secret Science Society. It’s weird to me that, on a show with so many nuanced, compelling characters, Yui is sincerely getting less watchable with every episode.
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03-31-2020, 12:44 PM | #235 |
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Yeah, I love what happened to Gai here. His whole M.O. up to this point had been about manipulating the rules of the game and the other players in order to get ahead and he assumed that Asakura would be another chess piece that he could move around the board. But instead, Asakura basically picks up the chessboard and smacks Gai upside the head with it. It's a really good example of the difference between lawful evil and chaotic evil.
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03-31-2020, 01:47 PM | #236 |
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And who made the fight a mess in the first place, Kitaoka? And don't kill me for this one but to me, I think Ouja, Rider wise isn't my favorite in design. He's better than Gai and Raia IMO, but I don't like his design as much as the others (Ryuki and Scissors are debatable though). Same for his Final Vent, I know it's a bicycle kick but the movement IMO is like someone helplessly waving their body around due to falling from heights, which makes it quite silly to me especially for a serious hardened Rider. The end of the episode is one of the best showdowns, a Rider with their huge serpent-themed monster facing off.
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Shibaura's death is also, an ironic death like Scissors. He wants to manipulate other Riders to fight each other AND he thinks that he can manipulate Asakura too, but at the end, he's the one getting manipulated instead by the people he thought will manipulate, Asakura, by using him as a human shield for Ouja. Gai is the best Guard Vent!
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Yeah, I love what happened to Gai here. His whole M.O. up to this point had been about manipulating the rules of the game and the other players in order to get ahead and he assumed that Asakura would be another chess piece that he could move around the board. But instead, Asakura basically picks up the chessboard and smacks Gai upside the head with it. It's a really good example of the difference between lawful evil and chaotic evil.
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I was hoping she'd be the peacemaker, the balance between Ren and Shinji, but she's mostly been The Fragile Woman, the character that needs to be protected from everything in the story, physically or emotionally. It's a bummer.
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03-31-2020, 02:39 PM | #237 |
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There's a... she has a weakness that doesn't feel merited by her place in the narrative, and it makes her questing feel kind-of embarrassing. What could be a mix of anger, guilt, confusion, shame, fear... it all plays as sort-of whiny and lame to me. Her search for answers doesn't have a forceful drive behind it, to me, so much as it has Yui looking pathetic. I don't know if it's the character or the performance, but she comes off as the kind of person you can't ever confide in, because she'll just start crying if you tell her anything honest.
Lol but didn't you beg for Ren not to listen to Yui doing that in ep. 10? (if because Ren mocking Shinji was funny). Other than that she still does the peacemaker time to time like before Shinji moves to Atori and when Shinji's card is stolen. I honestly thought before to you it was because that she doesn't start feuds with others lol, but actually like you said there being a peacemaker. Judging from my cover about Shinji/Tezuka and how you didn't find it memorable except for their quarrel. Last edited by DreadBringer; 03-31-2020 at 02:45 PM.. |
03-31-2020, 02:50 PM | #238 |
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I'm embarassed to discuss about this, and seemingly obstinate to you but, a certain review I read (I really want to share that review to whole KR fandom, but as it also has Ryuki, not now) talks about how actually strong-willed and strong character-wise she is for refusing to stay in the sidelines and keep searching for truth, risking her sanity, even if she (like you cover there) keeps getting heartbroken, getting hurt, and constantly being crushed around by the world.
Like, there's more of an emphasis lately (not in this one, though!) on Yui trying to piece together what Shiro was up to back in the Secret Science Society days. That's a huge piece of the plot that needs to be discovered. It's just, a) I don't feel like we've learned anything too terrifying or exciting yet, and b) I wish Yui didn't seem so on the verge of tears in every one of those scenes. I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe her brother becoming a mirror ghost and ruining so many lives in her name isn't that big of a deal? We've got a global pandemic under way, industries are on the precipice of disappearing, and like, people are still playing Animal Crossing, you know? Things don't have to be Feelings all day every day. It's like we've only got two things for Yui to do on this show, be worried about Riders or be worried about Shiro. It's sort-of exhausting to watch?
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03-31-2020, 08:53 PM | #239 |
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe her brother becoming a mirror ghost and ruining so many lives in her name isn't that big of a deal? We've got a global pandemic under way, industries are on the precipice of disappearing, and like, people are still playing Animal Crossing, you know? Things don't have to be Feelings all day every day.
Nah, I'm just messing with you. At least I think I am... I see what you're saying about Yui's scenes, anyway. There are a lot of times when, compared to the fun of watching the Riders go at it, it's hard not for them to feel like an obligation more than anything. But like, I'll stick up for her as a character any day of the week. I think it's pretty mean to pick on her like she's some horrible wet blanket when her motivations and reactions to things are all totally believable ways of responding to unbelievable events. I think it's important to keep an open mind about the way she's portrayed going forward. She's stronger than you think, but not in the way you seem to be expecting. She's never going to turn into Reiko overnight, because they're two different characters serving two different roles, even if the investigative angle is overlapping a bit.
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03-31-2020, 09:38 PM | #240 |
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Oh, okay. I see how it is! 0.01% of Tokyo gets murdered a week in Kuuga, and you constantly question why everyone isn't evacuating the city in a panic, but Yui gets a bit upset about her own brother getting people killed, possibly because of her, and SUDDENLY it's "hey, maybe tone it down with all those pesky emotional responses". You can't fool me, Die! You're just looking for excuses to be critical!
Nah, I'm just messing with you. At least I think I am... I feel like it's probably a lot of the choices the actor is making. There's a way to play Yui's character where you want her to succeed, to find peace, to absolve herself of her guilt over her brother's actions... it's just, for me, that's not coming through. I don't at all feel that way when a Yui scene starts. There doesn't seem to be layers to her performance, it's just a minor calibration of How Much Does It Look Like She's Going To Cry. Oh, this is a 25% scene. This one's a 15%. This one's a 30% that becomes a 95%, so that's some range. But the other thing, it's how isolated Yui feels from the main action. Like, remember the first episode, where Yui got to go fight Mirror Monsters with Ren? What was that, her birthday gift? Because they don't seem to let her leave the restaurant much, let alone help fight monsters. Was there a cut scene where she accidentally got a school bus full of children killed by a monster, so now she's banned from monster-fighting? No one seems to let her help fight monsters, and they barely talk to her about the Rider Battle stuff. If the show didn't want me to resent Yui scenes, maybe start putting her in the more important plots?
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