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02-07-2022, 07:32 PM | #21 |
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02-07-2022, 07:43 PM | #22 |
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Why would he demon be spider themed? That's just the Demons Driver, not his personal inner demon
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02-07-2022, 08:06 PM | #23 |
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It doesn't even seem like he has the usual personal demon the Igarashi's have anyway.
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02-07-2022, 08:08 PM | #24 |
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02-08-2022, 01:22 PM | #25 |
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also there's a mysterious organization called Weekend (IDK how to just post a gif of the meme)
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02-10-2022, 01:26 PM | #26 |
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I guess this episode should be the one to actually not feature the opening song, instead of the latest episode
So this episode starts to unravel the dark secrets behind Fenix, and that includes on how the new faction Weekend operates, which consists of the Ushijima family, located in the basement of their house (as well as Kimiko being the one to give Sakura Libera Driver). Everyone on Revice holds big secrets, and it seems to be how Revice keeps characters relevant, still you don't need to make anyone 'special' to make them relevant, for general writing. So all the sparring Hikaru and Sakura did before was set for a bigger picture, trying to recruit her to Weekend. Now I'm wondering if Hikaru genuinely sees Sakura as a friend here. Other than that, Sakura is subjected into a more brutal test of multiple masked men (Ka-men) fighting her, but man, those masked men should've waited for Sakura to take off her shoes first before attacking (as per Asian house standards, I mean there are good reasons for that to be done). Sakura denies affiliation with Weekend, but she did one of their missions by retrieving Giff ViStamp from Aguilera. Does that mean she did it on her own volition? Then it'd be good, though dunno if she had grown past of justifying pragmatic methods pre-Jeanne. The dark secrets behind Fenix, so far according to Weekend it's about investigating Giff coffin despite that it's a dangerous move, but by that it seems that it's more about certain members of the Fenix being bad instead of Fenix as a whole? Albeit it's a higher up in Akaishi and George thus they'd be more influental in their schemes, but it's more like that if you remove the bad apples in Fenix then Fenix can properly function as a good organization, like removing corrupt cops in a police force for example. The series doesn't drag upon Akaishi's identity as an apparent Deadman Founder, with him clearly shown to work together with Olteca here (and shows the difference of him to other Fenix members, who just captured Olteca). Akaishi also performed a stock evil laugh at the end of episode. With him being the Deadman Founder, he's apparently the real main antagonist of the series, not Aguilera, not Olteca too. Another misleading preview a KR series had to prominently feature the Deadman trio before. What's known about Akaishi here is also that he, at least what he claims against others, share similar goals as Prof. Karizaki (George's father), to separate humans from demons, and it's a goal that didn't work out really well; certain self-awakened inner demons can actually be a nuisance or even a threat to their hosts. George too is teased as a "humans are the real monsters" by Vice, claiming that he's a human that is worse than demons (well technically a good number of humans are worse than Lovekov). He also had earned a contempt from Ikki as well for what he did to Hiromi. While he deflects the Hiromi subject from Ikki and Daiji, he's shown to be at least onboard with Akaishi's schemes and goals. Though in comparison George is better to Akaishi with a sliver of sympathy to Hiromi as he resigns, letting Hiromi punch him as well as claiming it's for the best regarding Hiromi's state (right after disposing him due to him being useless). I'd talk about the good ones first for Hiromi, this episode proves that being a hero doesn't mean you have to henshin as Demons, no hero definition asked you to do that, and that Hiromi should acknowledge that. Hiromi performs the heroic deed by controlling the Fenix Skybase so it won't crash into the city and therefore saving everyone on board. There wasn't any fighting involved, albeit it still takes capabilities in a complex field, but still shows heroism isn't merely about fighting. Moreover as he resigned it's not his obligation anymore too to save the people inside. Otherwise, yeah his final scenes in this episode is handled poorly, half-assing in informing the important information to Daiji (while not showing enough of their dynamic), amateur shot from Olteca to Hiromi so he's only blown away to the nearby cliff (stock Rider death place, obviously not the end of him).... How he discovered Fenix' secret is also quite easy solution with Hiromi just passing by. With Hiromi gone from Fenix, now Daiji's the major character that has affiliation to Fenix (unless Akemi's elevated into secondary heroine or such), with the story setting him up as being conflicted to Fenix. I hope this is the part where the story sets a definitive path for Daiji's character, and it being executed well of course, other than Daiji acting as mostly faithful soldier to do Fenix's tasks while helping his siblings in the process (though Daiji's never someone who's obsessively loyal to Fenix). Making the Igarashi siblings even more distinct with Sakura going on the opposing side, Daiji staying at Fenix while being conflicted, and Ikki acting more independent (but is now against Fenix) but trying to look for best case scenario. The Giff coffin is established as giving side effects to Vice, and this episode upgrades the friendship between Ikki and Vice further, with Ikki releasing Vice just to check on him, out of concern. But despite the terrible thing that happened to Vice, it turns into how benefical Vice is to deduce that the Giff ViStamp Sakura retrieved was fake as it didn't cause any effect on him. Vice also later scans on how the Demons that fought Daiji (to Sakura's confusion) was Olteca, not Hiromi. So despite how despicable Olteca is, there are no Kusaka/Micchy situation in Revice, thanks to Vice! Genta suffers from the effects of Giff coffin as well, further establishing Genta's relation to him, his big secret. The change that happened to Aguilera recently isn't redemption, just that it seems that her being put on more difficult position just makes character overall diminished. Now she's only about being obsessed with Giff (and revealing her goal previously as a parallel to Olteca, Giff related still). Previously she's established as being obsessed with Giff, but there's more on her like her persuasion and manipulating others to join Deadmans, her sinister side being covered by her childish cheery self, her warped worldview including how she views happiness, etc. Other than her lackluster battle results, I guess Sakura's criticism on her is a wake up call of the series itself to give Aguilera her multi-faceted parts back. I'd actually want to see if her development from here is to make her a more effective villain instead of redeeming her first. Tamaki's put in a more difficult position of supporting 2 girls at once (asking Sakura to take care of Aguilera... but it can be opposing like this episode), and actually unknowingly made a deal to Sakura to hand her the Giff ViStamp... and with him being powerless at this moment.... it gives a comedic bit of him using pleading gesture to Sakura instead. Olteca's scheme in this episode is simpler than I think, with him just exchanging items with Akaishi, him getting Giff ViStamp and Olteca getting Demons Driver. With Demons Driver claiming Olteca as smelling like a demon, now I wonder if Olteca actually had inner demon and that his previous Deadman form was a separate outside demon, or that the Driver refers to how evil and monstrous Olteca is. And with Olteca as Demons being strong enough to take on the 3 Igarashi siblings at once, now it just adds more mystery on the Demons Driver (other than to Hiromi), would Demons get stronger the more evil the user is (which'd make Hiromi the worst user as someone all about being heroic)?
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02-10-2022, 01:26 PM | #27 |
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Plus, Olteca continues to just be the worst. Indeed, he's the best at being the worst! "Fun" isn't ~exactly~ the right word for how it felt seeing him as Demons, but it's neat how many aspects of this worked out the way they did. That belt just plain sounded evil, from day one, but because we've gotten to know Demons as not only a hero, but THE most straightforward, classic hero in the series, it adds this great layer of cruelty to seeing that identity be corrupted into something evil, even though being a bad guy is clearly what Demons was made for to begin with.
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The fake Gif Stamp was really convincing since it had the same glowing red effect. Did Olteca make that himself? He's a self-proclaimed genius, so it's plausible that he would have the skills to do that. Only a devil can tell the difference. I don't like to see Aguilera so defeated, but turns out she hasn't lost anything of value. That stamp deceived her and now she can find motivation to do something more productive. Gif isn't worthy of her unrequited love. She deserves someone loyal like Julio who has always been by her side and actually cares about her welfare.
Rex Deadman.
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02-10-2022, 03:40 PM | #28 |
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Eh, I don't know where did you get that Aguilera's love for Giff is unrequited. Giff is now dormant and Aguilera's focused on bringing back Giff. So that means there's nothing known yet on how's Aguilera's time with Giff in the past. Or that you refer into the part of how Giff needs Aguilera as a sacrifice for the unrequited love part?
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And regarding Julio, how about the other Deadman members? Julio joining Deadman is just similar to anyone else who joined Deadmans, and that the members are apparently being "helped" (if it's how Julio views Aguilera as his savior) in short-term care (the enjoyment behind hedonism). It's not only Julio to Aguilera, and this doesn't concern Olteca, but at least Kanae Motomura is really loyal to Olteca and is eager to help him too.
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02-10-2022, 06:41 PM | #29 |
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What about Hiromi being someone that is dangerous to use Revice Driver, and that he had a demon that he can't control at the first episode? And if you criticize Ikki for being a busybody (also being reprimanded by Yukimi to think over for his actions), then Hiromi can be quite similar that he's a reckless and impulsive person.
A lot of people have their own ideas about how exactly demons work in this show, and how that applies to Hiromi, but looking beyond the literal rules of the show's universe, narratively, I think it's hugely significant that all of the Igarashi siblings' Rider powers come from a demon born of the parts of their personality they try to reject (Vice is self-centered; Kagerou resents Ikki; Lovekov is weak), while Hiromi's powers come entirely from his Driver. The show so far has never presented Hiromi as having any complex layers hidden underneath the surface; he's a person who says he wants to be the hero he always wished would save him, and by all accounts, that earnest desire is legitimately all there is to him.
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The big reason I say Hiromi feels the most like a straightforward hero out of any of this show's Riders has a lot to do with how the writing of the series actively encourages the viewer to consider the idea that Ikki's heroism might have a selfish motivation behind it.
A lot of people have their own ideas about how exactly demons work in this show, and how that applies to Hiromi, but looking beyond the literal rules of the show's universe, narratively, I think it's hugely significant that all of the Igarashi siblings' Rider powers come from a demon born of the parts of their personality they try to reject (Vice is self-centered; Kagerou resents Ikki; Lovekov is weak), while Hiromi's powers come entirely from his Driver. The show so far has never presented Hiromi as having any complex layers hidden underneath the surface; he's a person who says he wants to be the hero he always wished would save him, and by all accounts, that earnest desire is legitimately all there is to him.
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