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09-24-2016, 03:13 AM | #3511 |
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Which Kamen Rider show that killed the dark tone of Heisei Kamen Rider?
If you watched Kuuga, Agito and Ryuki. Those 3 show were darker than recent Kamen Rider show but how come we don't get those dark tone anymore? Because FAIZ KILLED IT! Faiz is the most boring show ever because I couldn't watch it! I even don't know if Blade was dark Kamen Rider show but I know Faiz was the reason of why Toei decides to make Recent Kamen Rider show a more kid show like Super Sentai! Hibiki was a confusing mess because apparently I think Hibiki was original to be a dark Kamen Rider but NO! Toei decides to mess around because they wanted more toy! and they didn't want to waste their money on location! Even Hibiki's actor was complained about Toei changing the PLANNED SERIES FINALE of Hibiki! Apparently Toei didn't learn a lesson from Batman & Forever aka Toy Commercial film! Sure, Gaim was a dark show but the ending was more happy one than most of Gen Urobuchi's project! It got over-the-top moment with Bravo! Toei always care about MONEY! They don't care about story-telling but lot of money! |
09-24-2016, 03:17 AM | #3512 |
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You do realize that they don't make shows as if they were the free doughnuts from Krispy Kreme's right?
Most of them got mouths to feed probably and rent to pay. And most importantly a studio to run to make said shows and air them on TV.
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09-24-2016, 09:33 AM | #3513 |
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Rider may be a tad darker than Sentai, but its primary target audience is still children so unlike, say, Madoka Magica, things can only go so far. There has to be restrictions.
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09-24-2016, 10:55 AM | #3514 |
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Which Kamen Rider show that killed the dark tone of Heisei Kamen Rider?
If you watched Kuuga, Agito and Ryuki. Those 3 show were darker than recent Kamen Rider show but how come we don't get those dark tone anymore? Because FAIZ KILLED IT! Faiz is the most boring show ever because I couldn't watch it! I even don't know if Blade was dark Kamen Rider show but I know Faiz was the reason of why Toei decides to make Recent Kamen Rider show a more kid show like Super Sentai! No, I think we canpeg the big tonal shift of the Heisei era squarely on Den-O. That's the show where comedy really became front and center. Obviously, some of the other shows had comedic moments and characters, but Den-O is the show where drama officially took a backseat to wacky hijinks. |
09-24-2016, 11:10 AM | #3515 |
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And yeah, I've always felt Den-O was the secret first Neo-Heisei show, right down to a second Rider who goes the entire series without picking a fight with the protagonist.
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09-24-2016, 11:53 AM | #3516 |
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- Goofy main Rider and serious secondary Rider (inverted in Wizard) - Big focus on two-part victim- and monster-of-the-week plots - ... with relatively few overarching story arcs, most of which have pacing issues - Nonhuman partner who directly helps the Rider fight (Philip, Ankh, Kengo, Belt-san, Koyomi in theory) - ... who subsequently dies (or at least seems to die) in the finale - Extremely over-the-top comic relief - Wacky older male who serves as some form of advisor/mentor for the main Rider There are variations, sure, but you see most of these elements in modern Rider shows and you can trace pretty much all of them back to Den-O. |
09-24-2016, 12:23 PM | #3517 |
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Oh, absolutely. I think things started loosening up with Gaim, but W-Wizard very heavily followed Den-O's basic pattern:
- Goofy main Rider and serious secondary Rider (inverted in Wizard) - Big focus on two-part victim- and monster-of-the-week plots - ... with relatively few overarching story arcs, most of which have pacing issues - Nonhuman partner who directly helps the Rider fight (Philip, Ankh, Kengo, Belt-san, Koyomi in theory) - ... who subsequently dies (or at least seems to die) in the finale - Extremely over-the-top comic relief - Wacky older male who serves as some form of advisor/mentor for the main Rider There are variations, sure, but you see most of these elements in modern Rider shows and you can trace pretty much all of them back to Den-O. It makes me wonder what some of the other most influential Rider shows are, or aspects of them. Obviously not counting the original series since no duh, it shaped everything. Kuuga would probably be up there, establishing a tone and astehtic for Rider's return in 2000 and following series. Besides that and Den-o, I can't really think of any. |
09-24-2016, 12:33 PM | #3518 |
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TV standers to change over time. Kuuga and Agito did had more violent moments compare to the newer raiders shows. I remember Kuuga and Agito did show blood when the new Raider shows rarely do.
It's not just Kamen Rider, other shows have tone down over the years. Dragon Ball Super is view as less violent and more light hearted compare to DBZ.
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09-24-2016, 01:14 PM | #3519 |
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Den-O's DNA is pretty deep in Rider since W. It's not immediately apparent as one of the most influential Rider shows, but it is.
It makes me wonder what some of the other most influential Rider shows are, or aspects of them. Obviously not counting the original series since no duh, it shaped everything. Kuuga would probably be up there, establishing a tone and astehtic for Rider's return in 2000 and following series. Besides that and Den-o, I can't really think of any. Gaim has also sold a metric butt-ton (science!) of product. If I were a brain in a jar over at Toei, I'd be thinking Den-O humor mixed with Gaim super-melodrama / weirdness = unbeatable Rider profits!!
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09-24-2016, 01:18 PM | #3520 |
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Which Kamen Rider show that killed the dark tone of Heisei Kamen Rider?
If you watched Kuuga, Agito and Ryuki. Those 3 show were darker than recent Kamen Rider show but how come we don't get those dark tone anymore? Because FAIZ KILLED IT! Faiz is the most boring show ever because I couldn't watch it! I even don't know if Blade was dark Kamen Rider show but I know Faiz was the reason of why Toei decides to make Recent Kamen Rider show a more kid show like Super Sentai! Hibiki was a confusing mess because apparently I think Hibiki was original to be a dark Kamen Rider but NO! Toei decides to mess around because they wanted more toy! and they didn't want to waste their money on location! Even Hibiki's actor was complained about Toei changing the PLANNED SERIES FINALE of Hibiki! Apparently Toei didn't learn a lesson from Batman & Forever aka Toy Commercial film! Sure, Gaim was a dark show but the ending was more happy one than most of Gen Urobuchi's project! It got over-the-top moment with Bravo! I feel Onari was added to Ghost because Toei wants over-the-top comic relief because they need a freaking clown to make little childrens laugh! I don't even know if they add a Comic Relief to Ex-Aid! I think a pink-hair girl could be that comic relief! I hope they don't make her OVER-THE-TOP! Toei always care about MONEY! They don't care about story-telling but lot of money! With Hibiki, the toys not only sold like shit, but the show went over budget and got low ratings (the show even scared kids I hear). Oh, and the reason the female lead in Den-O suddenly became a little girl and the plot revolving around that? Her actress quit due to illness or harassment, can't find a good answer, so they rewrote everything there Deaths of beloved characters is a happy ending? And Oren being camp gay comic relief makes him stand out due to how different he is from the cast, the clear contrast can be appealing, I know I loved Oren Japan LOVES Over the Top iirc, After all, Ace Attorney and Jojo are stupidly popular for a reason
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