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04-22-2019, 07:39 PM | #21 |
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Holy hell did Agito luck out; that was legitimately the best tribute so far!! It's simple, but when you just let the Rider be the Rider and play their BGM with a big 'ol Rider Kick? It does friggin' wonders!
But that wouldn't have worked if the rest of this two-parter wasn't such a good Agito tribute itself! Thematic callbacks; narrative arc parallels; getting to see the future of the returning characters... I wish we got more Omuro and had him directly interact with the rest of the cast, but otherwise this was brilliant. I'm so glad I watched the series before this, I was so happy to see it done justice... |
04-22-2019, 08:08 PM | #22 |
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Hey everyone, guess what time it is!
Time for me to pick my jaw up off the floor, because I've got myself a new favorite episode of Zi-O! I can't even believe how perfect this was. It's good that everyone here appreciates how excellent this arc is, because there's no way I can do it justice. Beautiful direction that feels on the level of a Rider movie, really sharp writing that's just brimming with love for Agito, the return of the first and best insert theme in Heisei Rider history. It's all totally stellar. The significance of stuff like BELIEVE YOURSELF playing is pretty obvious, so instead I'll single out the way Shouichi was written for praise. Not even because the way he helped out Tsukuyomi was exactly the kind of thing I've been wanting out of the tributes since day one (and the fact that Sougo wasn't the one getting advice somehow made it even better), but simply that his manner of speaking, which was always pretty unique and characterful among Rider protagonists, was captured perfectly by Nobuhiro Mouri here. Granted, a lot of this was probably in the performance too, but the flavor of his dialogue was 100% authentic in a way that stuck out to me more than any of the other returning characters so far. Seriously, these episodes were so good they made me like Tsukuyomi. I'm still just sitting here in awe. The only thing that could've made it better was if Toshihiko Sahashi did new versions of his own music from back in Agito, but first of all, BELIEVE YOURSELF, and second of all, we've still got Hibiki and Den-O tributes where that can happen. It probably won't, but then, I would've never guessed we'd be hearing an old insert theme in Zi-O, either. Oh, and on the subject of the Another Riders, I remember they explicitly raised the question during the Quiz arc, but I can't remember what the answer was or if it even applies to the arcs we're getting now. Honestly, even if it's a total plot hole, I think episodes like this make a compelling case that the ends justify the means here.
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04-22-2019, 09:18 PM | #23 |
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Has Sougo used Kuuga armor in canon thought? Heisei Generations Forever is considered non-canon, right?
When did Sougo uses Ryuki ridewatch? In the Rider Time Ryuki? Will there ever be episodes where Sougo return the powers to Kamen Rider's proper owner, to give us a total Heisei Kamen Riders Finale against Ohma Zi-O? Let's just wait and see. Sougo and Geiz receive the Ryuki and Knight Ridewatches when they meet Shinji in Rider Time Ryuki. As Zi-O Decade Armor, Sougo inserts the Ryuki Ridewatch to access Decade Armor Ryuki Form (a Final Form Time form)
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04-23-2019, 04:35 AM | #24 |
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With the time paradox in place, Zi-O is slowly but surely becoming Kamen Rider Gokaiger. I'm a 100% certain that at the end of the show they go back and return all the powers, I'll be surprised if Toei starts the new era by literally erasing the past 20 years.
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04-23-2019, 10:20 AM | #25 |
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Oh, and on the subject of the Another Riders, I remember they explicitly raised the question during the Quiz arc, but I can't remember what the answer was or if it even applies to the arcs we're getting now. Honestly, even if it's a total plot hole, I think episodes like this make a compelling case that the ends justify the means here.
The Quiz arc received an explanation... in the official site. Apparently the script had a scene explaining it, but the director (Ghost's) for some reason decided to cut it. Basically, because the Ride Watch was created in the past, it couldn't erase Quiz because the only reason he was in the past in the first place was because he was a Rider, so if his Rider history had been erased and he never went to the past, the Watch itself also would be erased. The current case seems different though, and I don't think there has been an official explanation yet, although the characters did note in the Blade arc that these Another Riders are different due to being created in the present rather than the series' year and the official site just said it was a paradox. Edit: I just read about the Shirakura explanation above, I hadn't seen it yet. Quote:
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Will there ever be episodes where Sougo return the powers to Kamen Rider's proper owner, to give us a total Heisei Kamen Riders Finale against Ohma Zi-O? Let's just wait and see.
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04-23-2019, 03:29 PM | #26 |
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Not much to say that you all haven't already said. One of the best Heisei tribute episodes. Possibly my favorite part was the competition between Woz Shinobi and Geiz Whirlwind in the battle.
But...now we're also back to the question of who will become Oma Zi-O. My betting money is on Tsukuyomi now instead of Schwartz. She's not coming across as a goddess like Gaim's Mai. But we're at less than 20 episodes, with five watches left, which means settle that question in 16 episodes for five watches and leave two to final battle.
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04-23-2019, 06:04 PM | #27 |
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One quick little addendum I wanna make to further explain why I love this episode so much: They specifically went out of their way to show off all three of Agito's base forms at the start before having him use Trinity at the end. Which means even someone who knows literally nothing about Agito would still be able to fully grasp the significance and subsequent gags with Zi-O Trinity.
Stuff like this is why I keep banging on about how tight Zi-O's scripts are. That kind of attention to detail is one of the most impressive things about this show to me and lately every episode is full of bits like this. Well that explains why I don't remember getting an answer.
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04-23-2019, 11:37 PM | #28 |
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In talking with a friend of mine I think the whole paradox situation Shirakura is saying that Zi-O II and Revive have caused is not quite right. There is a paradox responsible for the Another Riders we have gotten recently but its the one created by Another Zi-O
Another Zi-O, in theory, should have been a reset to our cast and story due to how the show established Another Riders to that point but it didn't he existed alongside Zi-O and didn't rob him of his powers. I think the creation of Another Zi-O somehow broke the system the Another Riders work under. We get the good of having them exist alongside the proper Riders but we get the downside of them gaining the ability to do things way beyond what past Another Riders have done. Another Blade is somehow able to turn Blade and Chalice human, still don't quite get how that works for Chalice but that is a conversation for another day, and able to essentially turn itself into a Joker. Another Agito is able to replicate himself and I think each of his replication might have a copy of the Another Agito Ridewatch in them, hard to tell from the episode itself. Anyway, that is just my two cents on the whole situation, in reality, I think the show just went under a soft reboot post Another Zi-O. |
04-24-2019, 10:47 AM | #29 |
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Another Zi-O, in theory, should have been a reset to our cast and story due to how the show established Another Riders to that point but it didn't he existed alongside Zi-O and didn't rob him of his powers. I think the creation of Another Zi-O somehow broke the system the Another Riders work under. We get the good of having them exist alongside the proper Riders but we get the downside of them gaining the ability to do things way beyond what past Another Riders have done. *snip*
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04-24-2019, 08:04 PM | #30 |
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I think Another Zi-O ridewatch was created in the another future timeline by Schwartz, by way of Geiz defeating Zio. That's why Zi-O still has his base power in this timeline.
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