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09-15-2021, 05:37 PM | #1 |
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After I was rather rudely attacked for basically no reason on Revice episode one, I decided it would be best to move the discussion to its own thread. Here are my reasons for my opinion on why streaming toku should be free forever:
1.Quality The moment Tohei makes their own streaming service for kamen rider and super sentai is the moment we see the shows take a massive nosedive in quality; with them pushing their new streaming service relentlessly. Remember how sick of two parters everyone was after wizard? The moment they release an official streaming service is when we see three or even four parters to keep people subscribed to the service, with cliffhangers on top of cliffhangers. I don't even think I need to mention Amazonz season 2, do I? Imagine that every season. 2.Accessibility If they release their own streaming service, they will most likely only make it avaliable in certain regions for moronic reasons and force fans of Toku to jump through hoops to watch the show if they just so happen to be in a certain part of the world. That isn't fair to anyone and would drive away tons of the community here. Rant ahead; read at your own risk In addition to the above; I personally am against the entire notion of being forced to pay for such things. I do not have a lot of money, I am actually disabled and unable to work. Forcing me and others in a similar situation to shell out what little cash we have for something we enjoy is sickening and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. If you can afford to pay for things; you should, those like me should be able to access them for free if they are willing to find a site that will stream the show. I am against copyright takedowns in every case unless someone is financially profiting off of someone elses work directly, or claiming ownership of it. On top of that is the fact that you just paid money for something without being assured of its future quality. Will I want to watch every kamen rider show ever? Probably not. Are there a couple gems that I would watch endlessly? Definitely. Why should I pay money for something that I won't use consistently? I can cancel the subscription, sure; but unless they allow downloading of shows, then I am stuck with being overcharged for a very small amount of content. That just doesn't sit right with me Rant over Thank you for reading and have a nice day. Please keep things civil. |
09-15-2021, 06:41 PM | #2 |
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literally no one "rudely attacked" you, you were just acting like a spoiled drama queen when people were trying to help you
unbelievable that even after all that, you still don't realize that torrenting is the best solution for people who can't afford to pay for streaming, have slow download speed, and connection drops. based off of your whining, that seems to include you but yes please tell us more about how much you struggle with a problem when a solution has been presented to you on multiple ocassions to actually address your concerns, you are obnoxiously ignorant if you believe having having an official streaming service for the franchise would affect the writing. I don't know how far you reached up your ass to come up with that, but you need to put it back there. just because you disliked amazons season 2 doesn't mean streaming services are bad. not seeing the narrative you're trying to build here kamen rider has never been easier to watch. end of story. don't cry about having to go through hoops when no one else has this problem but you you whined about how tokufun didn't work, even though it literally streams free episodes and series' in 480p which is literally mobile quality. so what in the holy mother of god are you begging for? there is no solution that will please you and this is your way of venting because you can't get with the times and watch revice the same way everyone else does every complaint you've made thus far clearly comes from someone who has no idea how torrents work and how easy they are to use nowadays Last edited by Chasing; 09-15-2021 at 06:54 PM.. |
09-15-2021, 07:21 PM | #3 |
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1.Quality The moment Tohei makes their own streaming service for kamen rider and super sentai is the moment we see the shows take a massive nosedive in quality; with them pushing their new streaming service relentlessly. Remember how sick of two parters everyone was after wizard? The moment they release an official streaming service is when we see three or even four parters to keep people subscribed to the service, with cliffhangers on top of cliffhangers. I don't even think I need to mention Amazonz season 2, do I? Imagine that every season. Quote:
2.Accessibility If they release their own streaming service, they will most likely only make it avaliable in certain regions for moronic reasons and force fans of Toku to jump through hoops to watch the show if they just so happen to be in a certain part of the world. That isn't fair to anyone and would drive away tons of the community here Quote:
I personally am against the entire notion of being forced to pay for such things. I do not have a lot of money, I am actually disabled and unable to work. Forcing me and others in a similar situation to shell out what little cash we have for something we enjoy is sickening and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone.
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If you can afford to pay for things; you should, those like me should be able to access them for free if they are willing to find a site that will stream the show. I am against copyright takedowns in every case unless someone is financially profiting off of someone elses work directly, or claiming ownership of it.
Always liked the idea of decentralized market, but it's not within reach as of now, sadly. Quote:
On top of that is the fact that you just paid money for something without being assured of its future quality. Will I want to watch every kamen rider show ever? Probably not. Are there a couple gems that I would watch endlessly? Definitely. Why should I pay money for something that I won't use consistently? I can cancel the subscription, sure; but unless they allow downloading of shows, then I am stuck with being overcharged for a very small amount of content. That just doesn't sit right with me
You're not being forced with anything, you can cancel anytime you want, you can not pay for what you don't want to pay. Toei owes no one except their own target audience anything. There may be a sizeable non-JP audience, but the success and sales of their shows are entirely dependent on the japanese market with other parts of Asia being secondary. |
09-15-2021, 07:29 PM | #4 |
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You were handed a solution to torrent it, but you were against downloading a video and attaching a sub file on it even though it's a pretty simple task minus the internet part. Thing is, it's all we got and fansubbers can't just host their own thing out of their money, especially when some of them don't even have the entire time of the world to do it.
I'd also like to add that even if you had absolutely godawful internet - like, let's say, 100 kilobytes per second(even mobile data is 10x faster than this nowadays), and you wanted to download a modern torrent of kamen rider in its highest quality available(on average they're about 700 megabytes), which is 1080p, it would take you 2 hours. that's assuming your internet never drops. even if your internet is spotty and often drops, you have a viable, if not preferred option to watch the franchise. torrents pick up where they're left off if your internet drops. what in the hell are you going to be doing in those 2+ hours anyways if your internet is that bad? if you can afford to whine about it you can afford to wait - especially when your previous complaints have been about how badly you want to watch this show. ultimately it's most beneficial for us and the uploaders as well. unofficial streaming sites just serve website owners who have no goal other than to make money off of you. Last edited by Chasing; 09-15-2021 at 07:33 PM.. |
09-15-2021, 08:32 PM | #5 |
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The thing is though is that watching toku is a privilege, not a basic human right that you need access to in order to live. Toei may not exactly be a fan-friendly force when it comes to distributing toku, but they're not entitled to make a streaming service free just for your sake.
I'm also a bit confused about 'quality', what on earth makes you assume a streaming service will make them do three parters and cliffhangers upon cliffhangers? Pointing to Amazons Season 2 isn't fair because that's a single show; it woukd be one thing if multiple shows on a streaming service did this but it's highly illoigcal to base a trend of a single show. Of a streaming service really does make shows crap then I don't see why you're pushing for a free streaming service; I don't want to see people complain about free crap when they literally asked for it. What I understand is that you can't pay money to watch Kamen Rider. In that case then you are in no position to complain about the quality of the shows you watch. Again, tokusatsu is a privilege, not a basic human right. You should be able to pay for it if you can, and even if you can't like you said, there's torrenting. You claimed that a flawed streaming service would drive away tons of fans but that's not necessarily true, in fact more people would just switch to torrent. When I'm in Philippines and the internet is crap, I often see people torrent anime; most can't afford to pay for streaming services and have to watch new episodes in 480p because of how bad internet is there. And guess what? They don't mind, they're just happy to watch it at all. And before you say this is difderent because we're talking about toku, the principle here is the same; it is possible to be happy to watch free toku even if it's of lesser quality. To summarise; you are not entitled to make a company make an official streaming service free of charge just because you can't pay for it. It's their property and ultimately they have the last say in this whether we like it or not. If you want to watch free, torrent it and/or suck it up if the quality's below 720p.
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09-15-2021, 09:56 PM | #6 |
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literally no one "rudely attacked" you, you were just acting like a spoiled drama queen when people were trying to help you
unbelievable that even after all that, you still don't realize that torrenting is the best solution for people who can't afford to pay for streaming, have slow download speed, and connection drops. based off of your whining, that seems to include you but yes please tell us more about how much you struggle with a problem when a solution has been presented to you on multiple ocassions to actually address your concerns, you are obnoxiously ignorant if you believe having having an official streaming service for the franchise would affect the writing. I don't know how far you reached up your ass to come up with that, but you need to put it back there. just because you disliked amazons season 2 doesn't mean streaming services are bad. not seeing the narrative you're trying to build here kamen rider has never been easier to watch. end of story. don't cry about having to go through hoops when no one else has this problem but you you whined about how tokufun didn't work, even though it literally streams free episodes and series' in 480p which is literally mobile quality. so what in the holy mother of god are you begging for? there is no solution that will please you and this is your way of venting because you can't get with the times and watch revice the same way everyone else does every complaint you've made thus far clearly comes from someone who has no idea how torrents work and how easy they are to use nowadays |
09-15-2021, 09:59 PM | #7 |
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This is exactly what I meant by rudely attacking me. Chill out. I have stated that for whatever reason Nyaa does not work outside of one specific branch that does not have it. Tokufun wasn't working either on my end, but I am continuing to try to get it working. I hope you have a pleasant day.
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09-15-2021, 10:25 PM | #8 |
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One of most intriguing things amongst this chatter is "Tokufun", of which I have no knowledge!
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09-15-2021, 10:30 PM | #9 |
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This, lol. It was always just Henshin Fever, Kissasian, or Nyaa si for me.
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09-15-2021, 11:02 PM | #10 |
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you aren't missing out. apparently it's a relatively new streaming site that only streams up to 480p unless you decide to pay 9 bucks a month. if you do so, you gracefully receive 720p! to add salt to the wound, it's labeled as 1080p even though it's very clearly not. and even if you decide not to pay, every single link on that site redirects you to a different link that serves no purpose other than for the site owner to make money off of your clicks. it's a garbage website. they don't even stream full episodes - they split them into 3 parts because they can't actually afford the bandwith nor trouble. but hey let's keep sending newbies to that site anyways and pretend that torrenting is somehow less convenient. I only found out about this site because of reddit. christ I regret knowing about it. |
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