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03-11-2017, 01:33 AM | #14311 |
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Watching W again, this time with my little sister. She's taken an instant liking to it and I keep noticing things I missed the first time.
Like, seriously, there are way more pinwheels/windmills than I remember. |
03-11-2017, 02:14 AM | #14312 |
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So, I just finished watching Kamen Rider ZO.
Right off the bat, I gotta say that I seriously love the monsters in this movie. While I like the two other organisms, which seem to be nice little callbacks to "Bat Kaijin" and "Spider Kaijin" from the original show, Doras especially is delightfully creepy. Kinda reminds me of Cell, in a way. If Cell had a creepy "little kid in a spandex ring" form going on. So, I was already sold on this one thanks to the creatures in it. One thing I will say though is that it's a shame that ZO didn't really get as much time to shine as say, Shin did. I'd definitely argue that this one is a better movie overall, but it just feels like we didn't really get much of a chance to meet and learn about ZO as much as we did with Shin. It almost feels like this one was supposed to be the TV pilot, since the story seems a bit incomplete for some reason. So yeah, the focus on the Main Rider was a bit lacking and I also have to say that going from Shin's hulk-esque mutation into his "Rider" form to what we get in here for a transformation effect is...rather underwhelming. It just feels like this one had so much more potential than Shin did at the time, at it was just kinda squandered. Though as a quick side note, having the story centered on a mysterious Rider who acts as a brother figure to some kid named Hiroshi just makes me wonder how much shorter this movie might've been if Chase was involved in the plot. Appropriate enough, since Doras' final form looks like someone put Heart and Creation King into a blender. So overall, I felt like it was a bit disappointing that there wasn't more to the movie, as I would've loved to have learned more about ZO and seen what other monsters he would've face, but I still liked it for what it is. Not quite as brutal and "eventful" as the Bixby-Hulk style movie that was Shin, but it was still entertaining. Probably my favorite of the Showa movies so far. But of course, that might change after I watch the last one. Here's hoping J has a bit more to it. |
03-11-2017, 02:32 AM | #14313 |
Dai Shogun
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I didn’t particularly enjoy ZO either, but I think J is awesome, so I hope you have more fun with that one
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03-11-2017, 08:52 AM | #14314 |
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I haven't seen ZO in years but I remember really liking it. There's not much substance to it but it works well just in terms of being an action movie. The effects are awesome. Even the wonky stop motion.
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I didn't exactly hate it, but the last 10 or so minutes really drag down my overall opinion. The thing is written by the show's head writer and yet it contradicts the series enough that I'm whining about it. Maybe if the payoff weren't so underwhelming I'd let it slide. Outside of that, I actually really liked some of the individual elements. Like I said, Dark Ghost was a cool villain and, I mean, hey, Makoto actually gets screen time and is important and stuff, so that's nice.
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03-11-2017, 10:57 AM | #14315 |
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I think ZO is a good movie, but it suffers from trying to cram too much story in with the action. J has a much tighter plot that I feel makes it a stronger film.
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03-11-2017, 01:22 PM | #14316 |
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I watched the Ghost movie last night while I was suffering from a headache, so maybe my opinion isn't based on reality, but...honestly, I wouldn't say it's a particularly bad movie. It's not particularly good either. But it's pretty much par for the course for Rider movies. It tries to go big, tries some interesting things, but ends up leaving nothing but questions in its wake. And the ending is definitely...something.
Does feel like a number of things in it could have been used in the show itself for greater effect...though I guess it also does give a little context to some of the things that do happen later in the show, such as Takeru's friends being able to beat up Ganma commandos when they all went to the Ganma world, or the weird focus on Takeru wanting to eat food in the penultimate episode, which at the time felt like it came out of nowhere. So there's that, but...yeah. Last edited by barnstenchfartface; 03-11-2017 at 01:24 PM.. |
03-11-2017, 05:10 PM | #14317 |
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Just finished my first Kamen Rider series, Gaim, and I honestly feel like I spoiled myself. There is no possible way that a different season can top this.
I am watching Ex-aid and it shows promise, but I just felt way more connected to Gaim from the start. |
03-12-2017, 01:05 AM | #14318 |
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Well, every Rider series is different and need to be taken on their own merits. Ex-Aid is very different from Gaim, tonally, but is still an excellent and, in some ways, crazier show. If you prefer a darker show to a weird show, you should definitely take the next few weeks and plow through Amazons and get ready for Amazons season 2.
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03-12-2017, 05:31 PM | #14319 |
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So TV-N released all 4 episodes of the Alain-centric miniseries from the Blu-rays (though I just watched the back half since Over-Time did the first two a while ago) and the DVD epilogue Hyper Battle Video thing that came out after the show ended along with their release of the summer movie. If there's one thing you can't fault those guys for, it's their work ethic.
The Alain stuff is genuinely pretty great. Outside of some goofy bits with Onari, it's basically just 10-12 minutes bursts of poignant musings about the transient nature of life and the beauty of the world and crap like that starring everybody's favorite character. I love it. I'm not entirely sure the little epilogue bit at the very end was needed, but I don't necessarily think it's bad, either. The DVD was also pretty dang good. I was expecting just another lighthearted skit in the usual HBV style but it's actually a really proper epilogue to the show featuring the return of Saionji, fleshing out his character and explicitly confirming a lot of stuff that was mostly just inferred in the show proper. I said this about the movie too but it's actually a little frustrating just how much these things DO rise above their station. I wouldn't exactly say the show feels incomplete without watching this stuff*, but they're super worthy additions to it. The Alain series in particular, I think is probably best experienced alongside the show chronologically, but unless you're actually watching through the Blu-ray boxes, you wouldn't just know when to watch each one. Like, as cool as all this extra Rider stuff we get now is, I really wish things were as simple as watching the actual show and being done with it. I mean, it's bad enough that I'm not the only person who got confused when Shining Form "debuted" abruptly in Agito. At least that special actually aired on television just like a normal episode, so it's only confusing in retrospect. *That being said, if you don't watch at least the first Alain thing, you'll have no idea who Harumi is when she abruptly shows up in the show, and then later the reveal that the thing they've been teasing with Necrom's super glowy power was actually a suicide attack comes in the form of Takeru's mind-reading abilities showing him a f***ing clip from the second one out of nowhere (not exactly Ghost's proudest moment).
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03-12-2017, 06:07 PM | #14320 |
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Huh...
So I remember watching the first Alain episode, but I literally have no memory whatsoever of watching the second. My MDL is saying I did watch it so I guess I must have, but...guess it's worth the rewatch. Good to know that these things are finished somewhere, anyway. I've been curious. edit: oh, and they did the earlier Ikkyu HBVs too...actually really not sure why I thought otherwise, of course they did. I have no idea why I thought those would still be left unsubbed. Last edited by barnstenchfartface; 03-12-2017 at 06:11 PM.. |
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