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11-24-2018, 01:17 PM | #21 |
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Taste is subjective, but some of the complaints are from other factors that don't actually stem from faults in the show. We have this with every series tbh. Complaints about different things, to then praise later. Rinse repeat. Happens with every show in every fandom. It's about as predictable as a clock itself.
Build is an outlier though, you're right. But it was also more a dive headfirst into full on reveling in the campy nature of toku itself, with some rather heavy themes along the way and other technique tricks in use that more or less feed into simpler audience understandings which helps make it more universally understood. Which isn't surprising, and it is a good show, but it is rather funny in other ways how it's so universally praised. By comparison, Zi-O is more subtle and intricate in different ways with less flash, and more character internal play, but still as much substance, whereas Build relied on flash and known tropes, while delighting in going over the top. Build was probably one of the most formulaic done in recent years though to be blunt. It was clear cut outline/recipe that fed off of blatant tropes and old references. It was essentially cannibalistic otaku fuel, what Miyazaki refers to much of anime as, and in many ways was deliberately intended as such, which to many is what makes it fun, whereas others don't see that and think it's fun for opposite reasons. Build itself was essentially an audience experiment. When you really break it down, every rider series is nuanced in their own ways and focuses. Some lean towards extroverted flair and full on soap opera dynamics, and others lean more internal and gradual character conveyance. It really is a series by series thing. But to say "the characters aren't developed" is inherently wrong. They've been developed and their gradual growth is embedded into the show as its core. The problem to some of this in audience conveyance isn't the show itself not conveying it, because it is, it's in wider areas of the audience, err, well honestly, it's going over their heads abroad while it plays fine in Japanese audience areas that get it and are readily immersed in it everyday as part of their own life. Some of those same issues are a thing in other properties too, and we see it often with comic books themselves. Certain kind of blatant material gets more hyped, when really, that's actually the thinner more trope like simple material. It plays more universal because it's more universal, but at it's core it's essentially "Wacky inflatable flailing arm tube man". Wider audiences are weird like that. And this proves especially true with material that's got different initial intended audiences where things are more played to aspects they know like breathing whereas that goes by in an outsider's notice from not living it day in and day out like they do. It's kind of a typical cinema thing, that's something that happens worldwide. But that is kind of the basics of it in differences. As humans go, the more colorful, wacky, and over the top, the more attention it tends to get. But this also varies series to series in what's needed to tell a certain kind of story. You can't randomly shove in something that doesn't fit to the kind of story you're telling or intrinsically it doesn't make sense, even if the audience itself may get all hyped for the extra flash and the new "wacky inflatable flailing arm tube man." It's one of the main glaring issues to why creatives and fans sometimes clash too. Different fan types, some that get better inter-character dynamics and slow builds, and those that simply don't get it without the "Wacky inflatable flailing arm tube man." It's a difficult truth to swallow for people, but it is indeed true and has been proven time and time again. |
11-24-2018, 04:52 PM | #22 |
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Looking at the topic at hand, I think I'll throw my opinion in the ring too. i-O is stupid. It has a child-like protagonist, a plot that as soon as it got confirmed, I knew would go to shit and has yet to prove otherwise and that not every Rider would get to return or even cameo. However, I'm greatly enjoying it. I'm trying to be more open to shows and it's been working out fine for me. Almost EVERY Rider show has an awkward "BUY THE TOYS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUY THIS" phase these days and Zi-O is evidently not different. However, I'm curious to see how this goes, the last few episodes had made the characters very enjoyable, there's been some good jokes here and there and whenever they can get the actors back, there's fun little nods to their shows, which shows that whoever was in charge knew how to make us see that the Riders aren't shoehorned in. Is Sougo a rather dull protagonist? Yes, absolutely, but there's something about him I find intriguing, possibly the fact that this guy will end up having to grow out of his dream later on. I really want to see where this show goes after the show starts dialing back on the toys, which isn't that long from now either
Oh, and the ,5 episodes are simply brilliant and regardless of how Zi-O ends up as a show, we'll always have those to look back fondly upon
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11-24-2018, 09:36 PM | #23 |
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Yeah I hate it because it's slow paced, but probably it's because of Ex-aid and Build being too story rich and almost no filler at all. And Sougo's actor's acting is really lame and it's the main reason why I hate Zi-O.
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11-25-2018, 07:02 AM | #24 |
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It's still too early to judge completely, I usually consider the show good or bad once the final form hits because that's where the show can be judged.
But for now, I am very underwhelmed by the anniversary premise of the show. They got the returning cast, great. But the time travel is just confusing especially if you didn't watch the .5 episodes. And not all main Riders are returning is disappointing too. But to be fair, Gokaiger was only able to get a cameo from each representative of Super Sentai teams is because of the 2011 tsunami. For now all hope is not lost, there's still room to grow, even Ghost which was considered by many to be the worst was growing its beard during Necrom's debut until it fell apart when Mugen debuts. And even Build, which is a good series, loses some steam during the middle (especially that second proxy fight). And honestly, I think all the show's problems stems from one singular person: Shinchiro Shirakura. I don't mind about the Ninninger writer even though he's also to blame, but Shirakura producing is just problematic.
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11-25-2018, 08:42 AM | #25 |
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Yeah, that's something that always happens with these shows, because it's a yearly franchise, people just finished watching the last one before the current one, and people tend to go "Last season was better!"
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11-25-2018, 11:35 AM | #26 |
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I tend to be pretty patient with the first half of a Rider series ever since Drive. I hated that show for a long time, but by the middle of the season it really found its own voice and turned into something fantastic. Mind you, Ghost totally failed to do that, but I still gave it a chance.
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11-25-2018, 02:44 PM | #27 |
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The show is ok, not too enjoyable but ok. Which is fine for now since I only have to watch it once a week. Though I do know this show could get a lot better once it hits a certain point. Like Gobusters which annoyed me the first half got better till the second half or like Blade where I found really boring till around episode 14.
If I do have to name something I hate about the show it would be Geiz. No clue why but he just seems like a kid having a tantrum to me and I'm not sure why. At least Woz is always enjoyable to see. |
11-25-2018, 05:31 PM | #28 |
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The show is ok, not too enjoyable but ok. Which is fine for now since I only have to watch it once a week. Though I do know this show could get a lot better once it hits a certain point. Like Gobusters which annoyed me the first half got better till the second half or like Blade where I found really boring till around episode 14.
If I do have to name something I hate about the show it would be Geiz. No clue why but he just seems like a kid having a tantrum to me and I'm not sure why. At least Woz is always enjoyable to see. |
11-25-2018, 05:38 PM | #29 |
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Eh, Woz still has future events in the show going on giving off some huge character development potential
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11-25-2018, 11:01 PM | #30 |
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I could see him becoming a ryoma from Gaim depending on the writers. Remember how they cop out and give extra plot armor to Birth and Ankh stories in Ooo. The same with lupin loves ones got killed by Zamigo's powers get kind of retcon or downplay recently. There's no tension left. Also, Sasword from Kabuto being a serious rival and threat to silly hell bros. It depends in the writers. Dan was a decent villain if he stay dead, but they turn him in to a meme and later wishy washy hero/villain in the return movie specials.
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