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05-04-2023, 04:30 AM | #11 |
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I am getting Masamnue Dan and Gai Amatsu vibes from Sueru as villain. Because both Masamune Dan, Gai Amatsu, and Sueru are masterminds.
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05-04-2023, 10:19 AM | #12 |
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- Also, I think the show really enjoys making Neon suffer. So much so that she already has a swollen face and always red eyes, like the heroines of dramas. It seems Sh Ranger wanted a fun female rider. Neon seems to be a mockery of this idea, because, corresponding to it at first glance, in practice it almost always cries.
I think people are more likely to accept a box given to them by a cheerful cute mascot character like Tsumuri than a suspicious guy like Giroli or Chirami. It's just good publicity for DGP to have the navigator be somebody approachable, like how Smart Lady was the face of Smart Brain as means to convince Orphenochs about their anti-humanity propaganda.
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I think people are more likely to accept a box given to them by a cheerful cute mascot character like Tsumuri than a suspicious guy like Giroli or Chirami. It's just good publicity for DGP to have the navigator be somebody approachable, like how Smart Lady was the face of Smart Brain as means to convince Orphenochs about their anti-humanity propaganda.
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05-04-2023, 10:41 AM | #14 |
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I mean, I didn't say it would work. A lot of Orphenochs were fine with murdering humans and found Smart Lady annoying. Kanzaki didn't have the reach or credibility of an organisation like Smart Brain or DGP, so he had to be selective, going after people in desperate situations who couldn't afford to refuse.
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They got Retired, so it's not a permadeath but I'm not sure if they can come back in this world. The only one we saw do that was Ace, reviving in the same world after Glare Retired him, which might've been an effect of his desire, "To play DGP until I die". Michinaga wants to rid the world of Riders, but he's not totally depraved, so he'd probably rather deter civilians from becoming Riders so he won't have to kill them. Ironically, his world actually seems peaceful without DGP and it's Chirami who starts getting people killed by throwing a full roster of Riders at an impossible final boss, even a former Desire God who must've been playing before Ukiyo Ace, presumably that beagle guy, Groovy.
And ofc, Chirami is one of the Riders actually fit for Michinaga's bleak view of them (and Chirami himself also has bleak view of humanity), but the bad thing is deeming everyone else on the same group as like that too due to bad experience - like when someone dates an unfaithful opposite sex, then later goes on a crusade against all opposite sex due to assuming all as similar to that unfaithful scum (e.g., a female being objectified and cheated and brutally retaliated against him, but also then deeming all males as perverted playboys). I still have to say though that his world seems the same from the perspective of those not knowing the DGP, just saying to prevent the thought that the DGP is the only problem thus anything happens to others is ok to make a dent to it. Quote:
A fun female Rider isn't exempt from tragedy though. I think Neon's big heart is the reason why she suffers so much, that she's full of love for her fans, but was born out of coldness and betrayed by the future fans for being an artificial lifeform. Her desire for true love, whether it's platonic, familial or romantic, is a road of inevitable painful heartbreak. However, I think she'll bounce back and keep fighting for the true love she deserves, which is what I want to see.
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- Keiwa in all JGP (except for the last round, where he voices obvious things to Ace) can be removed and nothing will change. He didn’t even get spectacular fights, and the ninja’s abilities work according to the will of the plot. In general, I think if the show had been released ten years ago, both he and Neon would not have been riders, but simply support characters;
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- Revealing the truth about Neon was interesting, but I don't think that drama works, given that she was unhappy in the family. In fact, as Kyuun said, it rather unties her hands, allowing her to finally leave the house. It seems to me that this would work much better with Keiwa. Yes, and his character of a selfless hero is much more suitable for being someone else's desire.
For example, Sarah, who lost her parents in the DGP, could well wish for a younger brother who would restore justice. Beroba did, she said it herself that she hoped that Ace visiting Mitsume would play out like what she hoped.
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05-04-2023, 02:55 PM | #16 |
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Before Heaven and Hell, what Neon did in this arc is pretty much the same as Keiwa's (and also like in for example, Schemes DGP), using the powers granted by the DGP to protect people and oppose DGP, also including helping setting up the festival hearing that it should start tomorrow (though it got canceled). Previously before this, Kousei never keeps her in the house, but giving her all the freedom, but he's still a problematic parent in a different way (and Kyuun got disgusted by him), opposite to Irumi, leaving the house isn't the only problem (like for previously, not being allowed to socialize is another).
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I mean, I didn't say it would work. A lot of Orphenochs were fine with murdering humans and found Smart Lady annoying. Kanzaki didn't have the reach or credibility of an organisation like Smart Brain or DGP, so he had to be selective, going after people in desperate situations who couldn't afford to refuse.
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05-05-2023, 11:04 AM | #17 |
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Though Ace and Keiwa got murdered in a different way of the Heaven and Hell game round turning them into bubbles. But at least for that part, it seems to be a genuine murder as Ace returns not because he got freed or something, but someone else making an effort to revive him. I don't think it's due to Ace's first wish though, which'd be jumping into the conclusions. It's implied to be because of Tsumuri's prayer of which she's on the same breed as Mitsume.
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And ofc, Chirami is one of the Riders actually fit for Michinaga's bleak view of them (and Chirami himself also has bleak view of humanity), but the bad thing is deeming everyone else on the same group as like that too due to bad experience - like when someone dates an unfaithful opposite sex, then later goes on a crusade against all opposite sex due to assuming all as similar to that unfaithful scum (e.g., a female being objectified and cheated and brutally retaliated against him, but also then deeming all males as perverted playboys).
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Yeah, Michinaga's hatred of Riders is another interesting take on the theme of prejudice after Zero One and Zenkaiger. What Michinaga might need for development is something like Isamu getting saved by a HumaGear doctor, to show him that Riders aren't inherently bad people. It's difficult, since the whole premise of DGP is designed to be attractive to selfish people and even saving civilians is a way of scoring arbitrary points for the game. Michinaga can't trust anybody, as everything is for the sake of desire, which comes at the cost of the losers' desires.
The problem is that the DGP should not exist in principle, because (as explained in the 32nd episode) the desire of the winner is fulfilled at the expense of the misfortunes of others. That is, even if the game goes perfectly, without dead civilians and injured competitors, the victory on points will not be counted, because there will not be enough misfortune to fulfill the desire. This, by the way, retroactively adds weight to Girori's hatred of Geats. After all, it turns out that Ace's desires were not at all harmless and many people died and suffered, for the sake of completely unimportant nonsense. |
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