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09-26-2021, 09:03 AM | #11 |
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Again, IzuSubs translation for the henshin texts:
First transformation to fight the Kong Deadman: Vice: By the way Ikki, is love tasty? Ikki: We’ll talk about it later, alright!? Vice: Okay then~ Let’s go wild and get this over with! Ikki: Don’t go crazy, alright Vice? Vice: Okeydokey! Ptera Genome henshin: Vice: Wow, we’re tearing through the air here! But it’s kinda fun! Ikki: Someone’s life is at stake here! Vice: Still raring to go when we’re falling I see! Ikki: We’re gonna save her! Vice: You better gimme some love too once we do! Ikki: Then hurry up and Genome Change already! Very brief text when transforming into Rex Genome mid-fight: Ikki: Sorry Vice! We’re going back to Rex for a bit! Vice: You’re kidding! Transforming back into Ptera Genome: Ikki: That was close… Vice: Hey, that hurt! Ikki: Alright, we’re through! After her! Vice: Okay!
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09-26-2021, 09:06 AM | #12 |
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Huh, you know I gotta say, in terms of like overarching narrative it didn't really hit me till the end of this episode when Ikki gets his full load out. But Episodes 1 through 4 make a real good starting arc for Revice. Like yeah we're in the First Quarter, but we basically spend 4 Episodes with Ikki fully getting into the Rider Groove so to speak.
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Edit: I'm liking this family themes going around, as well, actually. Something I forgot as well is the show dives in other aspects of Families. I know it may be a bit tough for their target audience but I wouldn't mind if it tackles stuff like divorce, abuse, and orphaned kids. The show already doing parent neglect gives me a bit of hope.
I wasn't expecting that after the cold open. Akari's Ghost and 1 magnets were okay, but man George has a real collection! It's cool that KR merchandise actually exists in universe, which makes sense as kids will have even more reason to want to emulate their heroes. Quote:
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Man, you do not get a lot of toku shows that feel this... "complete", I guess, this early on. Like, this episode absolutely blew me away with how thoroughly it explored a ton of themes that are clearly going to be central to the show going forward. Revice already knows exactly what it wants to be about, and it's benefitting from that clear vision by giving us some unusually tight storytelling. The development for the guest characters is great; the development for Daiji is great; the development for Ikki is great. The action is Sugihara. (He really loves watching characters fly through CG cities for some reason.)
Revice is setting a very high standard for itself, and I really hope it keeps it up. But yeah, there were several points where this just didn't feel like Episode 4 at all! Ayaka telling Revi that not every family is happy is pretty much exactly what I brought up last time, but then the episode goes in an unexpected direction by showing how Ayaka's mother's failure as a parent isn't unique to her. Ikki has also been failing his younger siblings, in a vindictive way towards Daiji, coldly calling him out on his flaws while being ignorant of his own. In this episode, somehow, Vice is most moral of the two protagonists, giving a justiFaized scolding to Ikki for how mean he's being to his siblings. Maybe that's what the scene from the OP actually means, that Vice adjusts his morality to contrast Ikki's. So a devil can act as a good conscience in certain situations, it would seem. Ptera Genome references my favorite Rider, favorite dinosaur and favorite Machine all at once! Ptera is a Stormbird, which I died to many times on my first playthrough. Very strong opponent! And what an awesome debut Ptera Genome got! For as much as I've been enjoying Revice's story so far, there are two things I've been missing from Saber. The first is Mei. The second is CGI action. Well, here's some CGI action, as Revice fly through the city after the first Phase 2 Deadman and man, that was an awesome sequence! Yet another reason why Ptera Genome is going to be my favorite for the foreseeable future! I also love that Revice get their equipment in a briefcase. That's so Faiz!
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09-26-2021, 03:01 PM | #13 |
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So, what was up with Ikki fading away in that photo? Are we working on Den-O logic with transformations or something? I'm quite curious.
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09-26-2021, 06:59 PM | #14 |
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I'm trying to make posts like that usual for this show! ...But here's more thoughts about Revice anyway.
I saw somebody suggest the significance of the theme song's title being a palindrome is that it represents things having two sides, and I really like that idea. I don't know if that's the explicit intention behind it or not, but it absolutely fits what Revice is all about, and that same theme comes across very strongly in this episode. There are a lot of people who have these two equal and inseparable parts to them that are complete opposites, yet the same, that also meet in the middle. You see it with Ikki, whose desire to help his family just as quickly becomes an excuse to ignore his brother's requests. You see it with Daiji, whose strong sense of responsibility creates this impatient undercurrent of frustration at his own inability to act. You see it with Ayaka, who lets her longing for familial affection be twisted into causing that same family pain. And you even see it with Ayaka's mother, who loves her daughter so much, she forgot to show her daughter any love. And I think what this episode does so well – that really illustrates what that interview with the producer that was mentioned in the thread for the premiere was talking about when he said Hanta Kinoshita's writing doesn't leave a bad aftertaste despite the weighty nature of the material – is that it's stressing how, inherently, there's at least as much good in the bad as there is bad in the good? All those characters I just mentioned have these flaws they have to confront, and it's genuinely kinda ugly stuff when you stop to think about it, but they're allowed to work through it and come out on the other side better people because of it. I only vaguely know what point I'm trying to make here, but, I don't know. The drama in this one felt extremely weighty and well-considered. That look on Ikki's face in the aftermath of the fight in the middle, where everything has gone wrong, especially, really hit me in the gut for something this early in a show. It's saying so much with so few actual words.
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09-27-2021, 12:00 AM | #16 |
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Really emotional episode. I'm surprised they're covering such heavy topics this early in a season
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09-27-2021, 01:05 AM | #17 |
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Man, you do not get a lot of toku shows that feel this... "complete", I guess, this early on. Like, this episode absolutely blew me away with how thoroughly it explored a ton of themes that are clearly going to be central to the show going forward. Revice already knows exactly what it wants to be about, and it's benefitting from that clear vision by giving us some unusually tight storytelling. The development for the guest characters is great; the development for Daiji is great; the development for Ikki is great. The action is Sugihara. (He really loves watching characters fly through CG cities for some reason.)
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09-27-2021, 08:37 AM | #18 |
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As a show with family theme, now Ikki faces an opposition of, the opposite of how his family get along, which is a dysfunctional family. Though I wonder how actually close Ikki to Ayaka (Oketani, not Imoto) before if Ikki doesn't seem to know fully about her dysfunctional family. I know that the parental favoritism had happened since long ago, though probably it can be Ayaka hiding to Ikki about her family or such. Still though, tfw Sakura's portrayed by Ayaka Imoto, and that she's a karate practicioner, and that she had a friend named Ayaka, and that Ayaka (the character)'s actress Seiko Utsumi was the one that is stated to be able to do karate irl...
So the claim of Ikki protecting family is meant to show that he's the type of the person to not skipping steps, he's someone who'd Start small and work his way up. Him prioritizing to protect family doesn't mean that he wouldn't care about others, for his case it's about knowing that he won't be able to accomplish everything, and it's not that all realistic to expect himself or someone to alter the whole world or its interlocking systems altogether. I'd think it's good to show that realistic doesn't mean negative traits, where the right way should be caring about family (or any loved ones) while being ok to be apathetic to any others, probably due to some audience trying to use fiction as fantasy escape, to live freely without regard of society around, wanting to only care just about certain things against the society's expectation to care about others. It's a nice mix of realism and moral, that Ikki is grounded and focuses on what he thinks he can like his family priority, but doesn't mean that he won't have the decency to help others if he can, where he said it himself that he'd be there if Deadman shows up. Kamen Riders aren't omnipresent though, the location of the Deadman needs to be told to him, which Fenix would have more... and that'd mean Genta is.. useful for this! The strife between Daiji and Ikki did happen, but so far, despite some people speculating that Daiji will turn similar to Micchy, Daiji gives me an Ichijou vibe here, he believes in the serious duty of the soldiers (Fenix) to protect the people, which'd mean not letting civilian with no real (there is, but a really humble one, not standing out from anything to just follow along with his family) motivation get involved, even if they have superpowers. Though that's the reason of him trying to get Ikki join Fenix so he'd be an actual part of the group having a actual public safety role. I'd admit that due to people speculating Micchy, I found Daiji's outburst to Ikki being pretentious at first (it reminds me of Micchy calling out Kouta for telling others about the secret, or Daiji calling him out that his actions lead to Sakura getting kidnapped; which sort of reminds me of Micchy invoking Mai's well-being to persuade Kouta; but does Daiji actually realize her little sister's proficience in karate? Really why I want for her escape to be revealed in front of others), but it seems to be about Ikki's impulsive nature of acting before thinking, and that Fenix is more well-equipped to do the job of fighting off Deadmans. Ikki now did have more commitment to become the Kamen Rider that would keep the citizens safe, like how Yusuke gains Mighty Form after being more committed, which is how they make amends at the end of the episode (still, for now). So it's really Ayaka who uses the ViStamp. I didn't expect her revealing herself openly in front of others instead of keeping herself concealed with the shadowy cloaked outfit (outside of the sandals, which she keeps as civilian). Though yeah she has had a miserable life, her actions also have harmed others like those who watch the concert, which means she's still hold accountable for her actions here which are her own choice. Notably Ayaka's the one to escalate the Deadman threat as well of signing a contract, giving the debut of Phase 2 Deadman, with teleporting ability, and it seems that they're more sentient compared to the beastly usual Deadman (and I guess explains Revi holding Kong Deadman Phase 2 in place), and I finally got what I wanted of Deadmans showing a further corrupted version of the ViStamp users (Ayaka wanting to torment her mom)? And inversely, of course Ayaka being the one to cause damage doesn't mean that Taeko isn't held accountable, both sides share a portion of faults. Taeko's a grounded take of a shitty parent of her deflecting blames and giving excuses of her actions to Ayaka, instead of a very over the top practice (blatantly abusive) that my country's TV show is rife of (and Yuka's treatment in Faiz reminds me of many of what my country airs instead), doesn't mean she's less despicable of having more subtle abuse (depending on the people, can make them more slimy with her vagueness, even if the over the top abusive one can cause more damage). She's also probably the type to crave fame (standard human... vice) to favor the child that can take her to that, Miharu. Though still Miharu's personality was never really shown, like how, only very small thing like reminding her mom that she'll be late in last ep., probably showing that she's dismissive of Ayaka too, but also takes her idol career seriously (instead of being pressured). The resolution is though... uhhhh... the usual extremely quick "everything's instantly fine" due to it not being the focus of the whole series and it only being 2-parter, that Ikki simply convinces Taeko to make up with Ayaka, without any substance (or they show too little via only flashbacks), I mean other than it being done too easily, there are no plausible reason for Taeko to suddenly change for lifetime behavior, when even after the Kong Deadman's rampage, she's still concerned about only Miharu's well-being. It can be to protect herself and Miharu for Deadman's rampage for example, but it's not addressed. And even after they make up, it shouldn't be about how the family's instantly fine now, there should be also the fallout that have to be dealt by them due to the mom's shitty upbringing. It's probably a rather easy choices/solution too of freeing people of being contracted to Deadman just by beating them in battle, when it's presented as something someone can't turn back against (or Taeko convincing Ayaka that she won't care how she looks like, and Ikki previously trying to reason with Ayaka instead too). Though this still shows that George is utterly chaotic, presenting the solution of Rider Kicking them with glee, thriving on violence albeit the end result would prevent further violence. The one who convinces and signs Ayaka's contract, Aguilera, finally goes to the scene here directly, in a different outfit. I guess they saved her for bigger stuff compared to Olteca and Julio before, of being the one to present contracts and Phase 2 Deadmans. Like the other 2, she also persuades the ViStamp users to do her bidding, and though she carries it in a calm and affable manner like Olteca, there's still obvious maliciousness behind her smile and joy she presents to others. It's a show about how upbeatness can turn someone menacing instead, and it'd portray Aguilera's complete ego to accomplish tasks without much effort, which means she won't treat others seriously, constantly taunting others, potentially to create a demon out of them figuratively, knowing that they won't stand against her power and/or charisma. Seems similar to George's style of speaking, and probably would be the evil counterpart to George in that case, if George is a good guy at the end anyway (him in this episode responds to Daiji's request more seriously, to guide him to update instead of mocking him). She'd even literally step on others (obligatory "I wish it was me in Ikki's place") as if they're not there... t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶u̶n̶f̶o̶r̶t̶u̶n̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶v̶i̶e̶w̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶M̶i̶s̶o̶r̶a̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶B̶u̶i̶l̶d̶,̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶a̶l̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶B̶a̶n̶j̶o̶u̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶e̶p̶.̶ ̶3̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶t̶l̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶g̶a̶r̶d̶.̶ I guess it's seen here why Sakura claims Ikki can be dependable "at times", even if it's a genuine praise before. She seems to not think highly only to her dad, but also to Ikki here, as she reacts poorly to Ikki's excuse of being there and his denial to Ayaka, and moreover Ikki making bentos. which I'd draw a line that, it's unnecessary for Sakura to be upset over that. It's tough dealing with a tough and hardened type (dunno if Sakura wants to act as the Wakabayashi of the Igarashis), but I'd draw a line of being upset at the bento, it'd be unnecessary (it'd be better if she explains about limited resources or such). She cares a lot for Ayaka though for more than just being someone to hangout in her call, and probably is softer to others in general compared to her family with her greetings and courteousness to the other Oketani family. Probably the one that's an act is the relatively hostile approach to her family (still dunno if it's actually her being softer to other females while being rough to males though), if judging from Ayaka (Imoto)'s words of her being "kind" but "puts cool act as she's an adolescent", still something that has to be worked on though. Yukimi's still in the hospital... really her treatment takes a very long time or Revice doesn't use timeskips. Yukimi's words need to be conveyed to Hiromi too (probably Daiji can do that after eavesdropping and being co-workers at Fenix), who is also impulsive and did hurt others by unwittingly creating Deadman. At best scenario though Hiromi may be another similarly heroic Rider like the main one but more minor, like Tezuka in Ryuki (to Shinji), though that's usually done in shows with many number of Riders where they're mostly morally ambiguous. Vice finally has diminished role here, and not without Ikki getting minimized like last episode, but still shows negative traits that he feels entitled to get love for some reason, that you have to work your way of gaining approval from others, though Vice being viewed right by Ikki seems to imply a more subdued version of him after ep. 2. Still can talk yet about the vital yet unknown moment in the ending with Ikki fading from the picture. The Ptera form's special ability seems to be the Rider form that provides a huge vehicle, while the Rider itself didn't have many other than hopping around. The CGI's still questionable, but that applies to all KR series. The fight still portrays the monster's menace well though, with the damages from the rampage of Kong Deadman Phase 2 being prevalent. The finisher, again, seems to be the Ryuki type (Alternative's Final Vent) where your vehicle spins rapidly in impact to the opponent. Though the Faiz motif seems to be shown in Vice being a vehicle (like Auto Vajin), not much of Faiz-motif abilities like Mammoth's rail before though, probably the super-speed like stuff to save Miharu that resembles Faiz Axel. Speaking of Mammoth, the AoE capability is used well here to take out the swarms of the Giff Juniors at once.
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09-27-2021, 01:15 PM | #19 |
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Alright, I’m officially sold on this show. Narratively I am really enjoying everything that is happening, and this episode showed that it was willing to show some real depth to both its ongoing main characters with Ikki and Daiji and with more minor people struggling with their inner demon of the week. Ikki has me especially excited, since we already can see he has some surprising issues going on beneath the surface.
The scene at the end with Ikki disappearing from the photograph was interesting. Since it happened right after signing the Fenix contract, I wonder if they are trying to go for an angle where Ikki progressively sacrifices more and more of what he cares about so that he can fight more effectively, losing sight of his original self.
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I’m caught up with Revice and I’m really enjoying it so far! Ikki is giving Aruto a run for his money as the best Reiwa protagonist, and Vice, while being hit or miss with me, hasn’t been as incredibly annoying as I had feared from the Saber preview. I don’t have much to say about this episode specifically, aside from that I like Revi Ptera and could take or leave Vice Ptera, and holy crap that rider kick ruled. Also George is me if I got to design rider tech.
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