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01-23-2021, 03:27 PM | #21 |
Yodonna oshi
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I'm not sure I can agree there, I feel as if Shinji lacks a lot of the conviction that I would associate with someone of that title. Not that conviction alone is enough to fulfil the criteria, and I should note here that I'm probably a lot less generous with who I would be willing to accept than others, but if I absolutely, absolutely had to pick someone who was the "true" Rider of the show, it would probably be Tezuka.
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01-23-2021, 03:35 PM | #22 |
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I'm not sure I can agree there, I feel as if Shinji lacks a lot of the conviction that I would associate with someone of that title. Not that conviction alone is enough to fulfil the criteria, and I should note here that I'm probably a lot less generous with who I would be willing to accept than others, but if I absolutely, absolutely had to pick someone who was the "true" Rider of the show, it would probably be Tezuka.
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01-23-2021, 03:37 PM | #23 |
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He definitely had his heart in the right place. I would have liked more discussion of the relationship between Tezuka, Eri, and Ren in 13 Riders.
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01-23-2021, 04:20 PM | #24 |
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01-23-2021, 04:21 PM | #25 |
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All I will say is that if you found Ryuki's dark tone pretentious or unwarranted, Kamen Rider Dragon Knight is not exactly the better of the two in that regard, I remember reading a long review on another forum(unsure if I should say) describing how it kind of gave off an immature ''grimdark'' impression! I have seen all of both and I have to say, whatever defence you might have for Dragon Knight I still don't see how you could find it the better of the two. And also as for a typical controversial opinion from me(Never!) I know Ryuki was very different to Kuuga and Agito but for me it was actually a similar level of enjoyment and equally memorable whereas Faiz and Blade were more just sort of average! Granted it is like 10 years+ since I finished most 2000s shows (though mostly still after the 2000s) and of course some of my life in that period was personally bad so maybe now my view would be different.
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01-23-2021, 04:38 PM | #26 |
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Oh no! I mean, I know nothing about Dragon Knight or how it came to be, or why it came to be, so I can't really comment, but that sounds a shame. Perhaps they should have introduced a sidekick like Ferbus into the show. |
01-23-2021, 04:43 PM | #27 |
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While I personally find Dragon Knight to be far more pretentious than Ryuki, in my experience, the people who don't like one tend to like the other, hence why I recommended it.
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01-23-2021, 04:50 PM | #28 |
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Either way, I'll still give it a shot sooner or later, I should imagine. I just need a bit of time to put Ryuki behind me.
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01-23-2021, 06:05 PM | #29 |
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This is the thing, right? Because we don't live in 2002, we live in 2021. Not to say that what inspired Ryuki isn't so significant we're still seeing the vast effects on society today, but it certainly means that how we view media made at the time will be different. I do think that because of the very astute, mature mindset of turning away from just going "justice!!" and doing something that questions it instead, Ryuki is something a lot more timeless in my mind, but... certainly watching it a year and a half ago, the constant beating of Shinji's very basic ideals of being a good person didn't work quite as well for me in the current political climate, let's just say.
Especially with today's current political climate, you need that guy who will stand for morality when nobody else is seemingly doing so, against the grain of a world of people acting in their own self interest or with their own distorted view of justice. This is what Ryuki is at its core. I love reading the excerpt you quoted from the producer of the show explaining how one can think they are right because they see themselves as heroes and are just, because "I am myself, so I'm not wrong". People on both sides of the aisle will justify their actions based on their own world view, or what trendy conspiracy theory they've bought into, or when their identity is being threatened. |
01-23-2021, 06:09 PM | #30 |
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Justice is very complex and it's one of the reasons I love Kamen Rider, and Ryuki handles this very well. However I disagree that Shinji's basic ideals of justice are outdated in 2021. Yes Shinji comes across as shallow in his ideals of justice but by definition he is the baseline of justice. Not to get biblical, but "thou shall not kill" is one of the foundations of morality in western society, and I feel Shinji is the emodiment of basic human morality.
Especially with today's current political climate, you need that guy who will stand for morality when nobody else is seemingly doing so, against the grain of a world of people acting in their own self interest or with their own distorted view of justice. This is what Ryuki is at its core. I love reading the excerpt you quoted from the producer of the show explaining how one can think they are right because they see themselves as heroes and are just, because "I am myself, so I'm not wrong". People on both sides of the aisle will justify their actions based on their own world view, or what trendy conspiracy theory they've bought into, or when their identity is being threatened. Also, welcome to Tokunation!
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