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View Poll Results: Do you want Toku to become more mainstream? | |||
Yes, more people would be great! | 52 | 46.43% | |
No, a smaller fandom is best. | 25 | 22.32% | |
I'm fine either way. | 35 | 31.25% | |
Voters: 112. This poll is closed |
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07-15-2021, 12:20 AM | #111 |
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I think toku IS getting more popular in the US. Amazon licensed KR Amazons for Prime and is selling official KR merch, Shout Factory released like 15 seasons of Super Sentai, Zero-One got a blu-ray release, Marvel has been releasing Ultraman comics, Leopardon has shown up in Spider-man comics and will likely appear in Into the Spider-Verse 2, Godzilla vs Kong had massive hype surrounding it, etc. I think my friend also said that there was some Ultraman streaming event happening?
I've already said this on one of my previous posts. Tokusatsu has not seen a jump in viewership in the US like K-drama and anime are getting. |
07-15-2021, 12:26 AM | #112 |
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I'mma just chime in here because Ultra was mentioned that yeah we did have a big Ultraman Day (July 10th) Stream on Twitch which was pretty cool. The fact that Tokushoutsu is even streaming on Twitch at all is actually really neat.
Also Ultraman Z and Ultraman Trigger are easily available on Youtube, and Ultraman Trigger Episode 1 ended up surpassing 1 Million views in like the first three days of it's release. Ultraman Z proved so popular overseas after it's initial run that it got a rebroadcast (with exclusive pre-episode skits after episode 9) to where it's now permanently uploaded. I'd say that's pretty big. Like it's not a super big growth but there's no denying that at the very least, with the game plan that Tsuburaya has right now, Ultraman is growing more and more into the spotlight compared to other Toku shows. I mean there's also just the fact that SSSS.Gridman and SSSS.Dynazenon exist and have been slowly but surely pushing more people to learn about Gridman. To the point where one of the selling points for giving the Blu-Ray to distributors was "Has a large fanbase that is hungerering for proper English Subs to view the series with". |
07-15-2021, 12:46 AM | #113 |
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I'mma just chime in here because Ultra was mentioned that yeah we did have a big Ultraman Day (July 10th) Stream on Twitch which was pretty cool. The fact that Tokushoutsu is even streaming on Twitch at all is actually really neat.
Also Ultraman Z and Ultraman Trigger are easily available on Youtube, and Ultraman Trigger Episode 1 ended up surpassing 1 Million views in like the first three days of it's release. Ultraman Z proved so popular overseas after it's initial run that it got a rebroadcast (with exclusive pre-episode skits after episode 9) to where it's now permanently uploaded. I'd say that's pretty big. Like it's not a super big growth but there's no denying that at the very least, with the game plan that Tsuburaya has right now, Ultraman is growing more and more into the spotlight compared to other Toku shows. I mean there's also just the fact that SSSS.Gridman and SSSS.Dynazenon exist and have been slowly but surely pushing more people to learn about Gridman. To the point where one of the selling points for giving the Blu-Ray to distributors was "Has a large fanbase that is hungerering for proper English Subs to view the series with". Also it doesn't help when this was talked about on Toku Reddit, and only 2 people left comments. I was expecting I don't know 50 or 100 Reddit users on toku Reddit to talk and hype about it. This is very disappointing and this is why I'm very disappointed in tokusatsu fandom. Reminder: the Toku reddit section's active member is still way below the active members on r/KDRAMA, and r/CDRAMA. I mean you got a fandom like K-pop and K-drama fandom being more pro-active in their content sharing then tokusatsu fandom. And I say this as a toku fan. As I said, if Ultraman Trigger was on Netflix and put under the "more like this" under every sci-fi/fantasy K-drama, and wuxia C-drama. I guarantee many K-dramas and C-drama/wuxia fans would watch Ultraman Trigger and a lot of these drama fans would branch out to tokusatsu. Overall, I'm not even sure if it's possible for toku to get mainstream given that K-drama and wuxia dramas are overshadowing toku shows. The fact that Toei and Tsurbaraya didn't talk to Netflix about putting some of their recent Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, and Ultraman series from the last 2 years on Netflix. It would really help tokusatsu a lot if Toei and Tsurburaya can negotiate with Netflix about putting up some of their recent toku content on that platform. |
07-15-2021, 01:12 AM | #114 |
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I'm wondering (and fearing) that people have a misguided notion with regards to streaming. Wouldn't Netflix USA have to make a direct deal with Tsuburaya or Toei for the rights to Kamen Rider, Sentai, and Ultraman? By the same token, wouldn't Netflix USA also have to make a deal with Hasbro, the current rights holder to Power Rangers, to stream Sentai since the one holds the rights to Power Rangers also holds the rights to Western Distribution of Sentai!? Since SHOUT! has long since had the rights to the Sentai they've already distributed, and they have their own streaming resources and an alignment at the hip with Tubi, it seems unrealistic to assume that Netflix or Hulu would ever get the rights nor fight in a bidding war for the rights to Sentai. Kamen Rider is also touchy, since Western Distribution for Rider has always been touchy. However, since SHOUT! has successfully distributed Rider '71, Kuuga, and Heisei Generations Forever, then it stands to reason that SHOUT! has Toei's attention. One also shouldn't forget the rights that TokuHD has acquired over the years (despite the hit-and-miss aspect of their subs). The way the deals currently work and how distribution has worked up to this point seems to dissuade against the big streamers from ever getting in on this at the current time. The closest approximation I see would be if that animated W series which is to be distributed by Funimation somehow finds its way onto Netflix or Hulu. Going even further into the meat of it all, Mill Creek and Tsuburaya are on very good terms these days, and Mill Creek set owners can stream on MovieSpree with the redeemable code or just stream on SHOUT!, Tubi, or TokuSHOUTsu! Going even further, Garo Vanishing Line is on Crunchyroll and/or Hulu, but the original Garo is still mostly available on HIDIVE.
Ranting and raving aside, the general point is (if there even is one) is that so many older and newer deals don't bode well for the big streamers to get in on this anytime soon. And honestly, I don't mind that at all! I'll admit, the "free-but-with-ads" model is a little tiresome at times, but it does provide the possibility for greater access, especially when some are tightening their finances these days. The release of the Gorenger Manga might have been a little too much of a "But Why?" circumstance with most not getting the reason much less the context, especially since one can't view Gorenger in an official capacity at the present time. The appeal of Toku in the West is still stuck amongst the die-hards, but it's still very niche and hasn't found mass approval yet. I would even dare to say that it has to start small, largely through friends sharing it amongst friends via social media or word-of-mouth. Many of the old horror/slashers that the mainstream balked at in the old days became popular because they were niche and because fans in those days engaged in word-of-mouth and told someone else about the thing they just saw. They may be what's needed here, but in a more modern context. Toku isn't going to suddenly become popular overnight, but I'm also wary of the big streamers getting it cause I wonder if they can be trusted with it. Netflix Japan might be good with it (if the Asian variant to Netflix is streaming it at all), but it has the longtime appeal and success amongst Japanese fans to back that up. Toku hasn't gotten big enough in the West yet appeal to the shareholders of the big streamers...yet! However, I do have a mild hope that the appeal will steadily good upward. Remember, Marvel and Tsuburaya are also on good terms given the current Ultraman comics. Maybe one day we'll get a Western Comic Interpretation to Kamen Rider or Garo!? That would help with the distribution dilemma and overall knowledge amongst people that something like that even exists. That might be the biggest hurdle of all: Most don't even know something like Kamen Rider exists at all! For now, let it stand as it is and build-up momentum through the lesser-known services. It needs a little more time, and don't hesitate to put Tokusatsu down as a personal interest in a survey or resume! |
07-15-2021, 11:16 AM | #115 |
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Tokuknight89,
It's an interesting perspective, your first paragraph I mean. But I hate to burst your bubble, but I have evidence that might not be the case. Now many of you know that Netflix has the streaming right for Neon Genesis Evangelion TV series, including the 2 Evangelion films: End of Evangelion and Death & Rebirth since 2018. But this is where it get interesting, the final Evangelion film, Evangelion: 3.0+1.01: Thrice Upon A Time is not picked up by Netflix, but is now given to Amazon Prime Video. I mean have a look: Evangelion (TV series, and the 2 films) streaming on Netflix: Evangelion: 3.0+1.01: Thrice Upon A Time streaming exclusively on Amazon Prime Video: So what does this have to do with my idea of putting recent Kamen Rider, Ultraman, and Super Sentai (along with GARO) on Netflix? It's true you can have Shout Factory streaming past toku shows, and some recent one. But that doesn't mean Toei and Tsuburaya can negotiate with Netflix to stream some of the most recent toku shows from the last 2 years. So it's possible that Toei and Tsuburaya can get these series I mentioned in my previous post to be stream on Netflix:
Shout Factory TV may have streaming right and Mill Creek have physical release right for some of the series, but that doesn't mean Netflix can still get streaming right for some of the recent one I've listed and it's possible. Neon Genesis Evangelion proves that not all Evangelion stuff will be exclusively on Netflix. So maybe it's still possible for GARO TV series (the live-action one) to make an appearance on Netflix. I've also seen one Disney Channel original movie, Zapped appearing not only on Disney+, but also on Netflix, and TubiTV: Don't ask me how a Disney Channel original movie like Zapped appeared on Netflix and TubiTV at the same time it's on Disney+. But it's for real. So you see it's not crazy for Netflix to acquire streaming right for some of the recent toku shows from the last 2 years. As I said, Shout Factory TV doesn't have the same mainstream reach that Netflix (nor Amazon Prime Video) has. But it's the only way for people that watch foreign TV shows including K-dramas, and C-dramas to branch out to tokusatsu shows. I guarantee if you put GARO, Ultraman Trigger, Kamen Rider Zero-One on Netflix for US and worldwide audiences, the toku fandom can grow exponentially. |
07-15-2021, 11:44 AM | #116 |
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I've always wanted Toku to go big. For the longest time I really want Power Rangers to be as popukar as Marvel or at the very least Transformers/TMNT level of popularity so that other Tokus will get a chance to be big as well. Which is why I am salty when Power Rangers is still viewed as a joke by audience at large.
But I dunno, I mean I'm also a superhero fan and was bullied at school because of it, but then The Avengers become big and suddenly everyone is a superhero fan, nothing really changes. But there's also a risk of bringing in more toxic people, though I don't want to talk about that. Idk, I just want Toku to be loved and respected. But we are slowly getting it. Ultraman going global proves it. And Kamen Rider even is starting to do it too. Maybe it won't be mainstream uet, but maybe on a decade, there will be bigger results.
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07-15-2021, 11:59 AM | #117 |
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Tokuknight89,
It's an interesting perspective, your first paragraph I mean. But I hate to burst your bubble, but I have evidence that might not be the case. Now many of you know that Netflix has the streaming right for Neon Genesis Evangelion TV series, including the 2 Evangelion films: End of Evangelion and Death & Rebirth since 2018. But this is where it get interesting, the final Evangelion film, Evangelion: 3.0+1.01: Thrice Upon A Time is not picked up by Netflix, but is now given to Amazon Prime Video. I mean have a look: Evangelion (TV series, and the 2 films) streaming on Netflix: Evangelion: 3.0+1.01: Thrice Upon A Time streaming exclusively on Amazon Prime Video: So what does this have to do with my idea of putting recent Kamen Rider, Ultraman, and Super Sentai (along with GARO) on Netflix? It's true you can have Shout Factory streaming past toku shows, and some recent one. But that doesn't mean Toei and Tsuburaya can negotiate with Netflix to stream some of the most recent toku shows from the last 2 years. So it's possible that Toei and Tsuburaya can get these series I mentioned in my previous post to be stream on Netflix:
Shout Factory TV may have streaming right and Mill Creek have physical release right for some of the series, but that doesn't mean Netflix can still get streaming right for some of the recent one I've listed and it's possible. Neon Genesis Evangelion proves that not all Evangelion stuff will be exclusively on Netflix. So maybe it's still possible for GARO TV series (the live-action one) to make an appearance on Netflix. I've also seen one Disney Channel original movie, Zapped appearing not only on Disney+, but also on Netflix, and TubiTV: Don't ask me how a Disney Channel original movie like Zapped appeared on Netflix and TubiTV at the same time it's on Disney+. But it's for real. So you see it's not crazy for Netflix to acquire streaming right for some of the recent toku shows from the last 2 years. As I said, Shout Factory TV doesn't have the same mainstream reach that Netflix (nor Amazon Prime Video) has. But it's the only way for people that watch foreign TV shows including K-dramas, and C-dramas to branch out to tokusatsu shows. I guarantee if you put GARO, Ultraman Trigger, Kamen Rider Zero-One on Netflix for US and worldwide audiences, the toku fandom can grow exponentially. Z is still for available for free and Trigger hasn't gotten far enough yet. Recent Sentai might be the most practical shot, especially if Hasbro and Netflix are on good terms (with the Nickelodeon deal apparently not being renewed). The rumor is that Hasbro is nearing the stage when they will do more original content, but I don't see that as a clean break from Toei. The rights holder to P.R. is the rights holder to Sentai distribution in the West. They could just upload it all to same resource and call it a day. I don't see Team Rider trying to get any Rider on Netflix USA for the foreseeable future. It's mostly just a feeling. |
07-15-2021, 02:05 PM | #118 |
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edit: nevermind, I don't care enough to get drawn into this ridiculous, cyclical debate.
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07-15-2021, 02:29 PM | #119 |
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I believe if you put toku shows on Netflix (and specialized streaming with large subscribers like Viki, which specialized in streaming K-dramas, and other East Asian TV dramas), I believe the same audiences that watched sci-fi/fantasy K-dramas and wuxia C-dramas could branch out to tokusatsu. I've already stated time and time again. Shout Factory TV and Youtube aren't going to attract the same people that watch K-dramas, C-dramas on there. They need to put it on Netflix, Viki, or even AsianCrush (another specialized website for East Asian entertainment including TV dramas) if you want the same audiences watching K-dramas (meaning the people watching sci-fi/fantasy genre) and C-dramas (that include the audiences watching wuxia drama) to watch toku, you need to target those audiences. Asiancrush's YT channel has 3 million subscribers and all it has to do is put up clips from K-dramas and other TV dramas and that usually get a lot of views like for example these video: Asiancrush was also clever of putting anime clip on their channel too to attract K-drama, and drama fans that never watch anime to branch out: See Asiancrush knows how to target both anime fans and TV dramas fans. So maybe if Toei and Tsuburaya license some of their toku titles to Digital Media Rights (the owner of AsianCrush, and Retrocrush), and Asiancrush put up some clips of toku shows on their YT channel. I guarantee that can help get drama fans branching out to tokusatsu shows. Quote:
But still in my opinion, I still believe having some recent toku shows on Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and specialize streaming sites for Asian dramas like Viki, and AsianCrush could help toku a lot. Shout Factory TV doesn't have that same mainstream reach that Netflix, Prime Video has. Quote:
Z is still for available for free and Trigger hasn't gotten far enough yet.
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Recent Sentai might be the most practical shot, especially if Hasbro and Netflix are on good terms (with the Nickelodeon deal apparently not being renewed). The rumor is that Hasbro is nearing the stage when they will do more original content, but I don't see that as a clean break from Toei. The rights holder to P.R. is the rights holder to Sentai distribution in the West. They could just upload it all to same resource and call it a day.
I don't see Team Rider trying to get any Rider on Netflix USA for the foreseeable future. It's mostly just a feeling. I wouldn't mind (or should I say I would love it) if Netflix ever get Kamen Rider Saber (or Kamen Rider Zi-O), and probably Ryusoulger (and Kiramager if there was a chance). Netflix should put a "Netflix original" label on there to increase viewership. It seems like if any show or movie has a "Netflix original" or "Netflix presents" label on there, more people on Netflix would likely watch it. So not only fans of K-dramas and C-dramas watch it, but a casual fan that doesn't know a thing about Kamen Rider & Super Sentai can watch it because it has a "Netflix originals/Netflix presents" label on there. |
07-16-2021, 03:40 AM | #120 |
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I get that when you're on the spectrum you can get obsessed with a certain topic and it can be hard to deal with when no-one else seems to understand where you're coming from.
For what it's worth though, at least in Britain, considering in the South West the population skews older too, I still think normal TV is ultimately more important and relevant than some modern internet-originated thing in the grand scheme of things. I do get my dream of seeing Sentai or Kamen Rider on British TV is not likely to come true any time soon(!) and even in the UK I think it would have to be dubbed to get enough people watching it whether you like it or not, I don't think subbing and dubbing are necessarily the same audience in my view, but that's what I would really want, I mean it's TV programmes we're talking about at the end of the day! I think a lot of people still don't want just endless change for the sake of change, a few years ago in like 2013/14/15 I seemed unable to escape the people that acted superior for not having a TV, and yet somehow seemed alright with some of the things on the internet and Netflix still hasn't caused TV to ''end''! |
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