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10-11-2021, 05:55 PM | #491 |
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I also cannot forgive it for having a chance to update the most bonkers Rider monster design ever and doing something so boring with it.
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10-11-2021, 06:18 PM | #492 |
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Oh I hadn't seen this design from behind before!! Super cool to see the other faces, thank you
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10-11-2021, 07:09 PM | #493 |
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I believe I've mentioned that out of the Showa shows I've seen the most of, it would definitely be Amazon (for now). Got 12 episodes in before finding and watching Decade, because I couldn't find the rest of the episodes.
Now I love the idea of Amazon, being the most naïve and open Rider having the least trustworthy world where it's ruled by the villains, which kind of fits the theme of his show. Also, we're back to AR versions of the characters, and this one kind of lacks the primitive charm from the original, which is a bit of a shame. Supposedly the original idea of Amazon was that he was going to be heavily martial arts focused and that he'd be based off Bruce Lee with a dragon motif (or at least his name had something to do with dragon after many of Bruce Lee's films), before they decided to base him off Tarzan. It's still interesting how different Amazon is from every other Showa Rider at the time, like being based off of lizards (whose design I adore), or how he doesn't get introduced like a normal person, or tragic past, but just this bizarre superhuman on the run from Gedon. Quote:
I'm on two minds while I agree that the new Decade version is alot less bonkers. I just apploud the Rider faces adorned over the new versions suit. And having him be able to relfect the Legend Rider powers is such a great power for an Anniversary season.Whoever had that idea for this guy makes the entire Amazon arc worth it in my eyes. Also I'm a sucker for black and gold.
I wasn't too thrilled with Amazon's arc here, but now seeing some of these details and stuff other people are mentioning, my appreciation for this arc has grown phenomenally. |
10-11-2021, 07:48 PM | #494 |
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For other Amazons references, all of the monster Jyumenki has battling for him have the same motifs as the Beastmen, Amazon’s monsters of the week. Also, he Mole Beastman that Grandpa claims to be is an actual character from the show, as are those two kids that are so important (in the show, they were the children of a professor Amazon’s as sent all the way from Brazil to find by his village elder).
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I guess maybe that's where Decade is at in this last stretch? It's a little crazy to think that these are the penultimate episodes of the series, considering how relatively thin the drama is, but man, when they're still busting out standalone story concepts this enjoyable, it's a lot harder to be upset.
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Supposedly the original idea of Amazon was that he was going to be heavily martial arts focused and that he'd be based off Bruce Lee with a dragon motif (or at least his name had something to do with dragon after many of Bruce Lee's films), before they decided to base him off Tarzan. It's still interesting how different Amazon is from every other Showa Rider at the time, like being based off of lizards (whose design I adore), or how he doesn't get introduced like a normal person, or tragic past, but just this bizarre superhuman on the run from Gedon.
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10-11-2021, 08:16 PM | #495 |
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This marks the second arc in Decade I actually enjoyed. AR Amazon's' acting included.
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10-11-2021, 08:32 PM | #496 |
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Black is currently re-aired on my TV, and perhaps I should give a Showa era a taste, for the part of escaping to America, would like to see on how they filmed the location, as mostly from the Heisei part I watched, the location filming is rather limited for KR, like multiple similar location is re-used and many of them are quite locked in Japan.
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10-12-2021, 12:51 PM | #497 |
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: He's pitched way down, enthusiasm-wise, and I do get why that's the case. It's just, it doesn't modulate a whole lot through the story? Him shouting A-MA-ZON is done at about the same level as him telling Tsukasa that there's nowhere he feels safe. I'm okay with a mopey Amazon (I watched Amazons! Jin Takayama is great, and the other guy is practically comatose!), but this wasn't a story where I felt like the actor was conveying his character's arc very well.
SH RANGER: Haruka and Jin say amazon way too inconsistently though. The guy who says it best is probably the OG Amazon, followed by Tomoko. I suppose he doesn't have a very wide emotional range, but I thought he was pretty sympathetic and otherwise likable character. I liked how his whole problem is a very specific parallel to the problem Tsukasa has about not being accepted. Honestly, I found his simplicity kind of endearing in its own way. Quote:
SH RANGER: I mean, all the other Riders are quick to call Decade a devil and try fighting him, but Amazon sees him as a friend pretty much immediately, since they're both outcasts to society who want to save it from the real enemy. It's a refreshing approach to have someone actually decide to befriend him. And if there's anybody in the Showa Era who's all about making new friends, it's Amazon. I definitely think Amazon's goals worked. They started as just traveling the world looking for his own place to belong and then he was unlucky to get caught up in Geddon and their alliance with Dai Shocker. Between this arc and the Fourze HBV, I think this is definitely why I ended up watching Amazon as my first Showa Rider show, due to how much I sympathize with him as a character. Like, he's Showa Decade in this world. That's an easy way to get my interest.
They even have their shows being the shortest of their respective eras in common. Unless we count ZX. KAMEN RIDER DIE: Yeah, I mean, Tsukasa just had two different versions of the exact same guy try to immediately murder him, so it's refreshing to not have go through the standard Decade Is The Devil Wait Maybe Not routine, even if we're still not spared a Narutaki cameo. It's nice to have a nice Rider on this show! Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: Yeah, I mean, I could spend an hour digging into the hilarious minutiae of Dai Shocker's society (the ability to get whistles out to all citizens speaks to some solid infrastructure), but I also appreciated how it managed to be more than just a joke or a movie tie-in or a bunch of faceless baddies. There's a point the story is trying to make about how people who can't trust each other invariably put that trust into organizations instead, and that's not healthy for society.
Am I reading too much into this? Did you get that out of this story? SH RANGER: I think that was exactly the point of the story and I can see a lot of the same themes in SHW GP with how Shocker are able to effectively convince a lot of people through propaganda that Riders are evil and can't be trusted. That their chaotic methods of heroism are unstable and can only bring ruin to the world. It's something a lot of Riders have to deal with, having to fight for people who hate them and see them as the enemy and it's part of what makes being a Rider a lonely mission. But it also takes courage to take a leap of faith like that, to trust in people and think critically, without letting your judgment be clouded. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: It makes for a sweet story, though, where Amazon's indefatigable belief in basic human decency runs up against, like, institutionalized betrayal. I thought Masahiko's story had a nice amount of moves to it, where even after being betrayed by Dai-Shocker, he'd rather give them another shot than admit he was the bad guy in the story.
SH RANGER: Yeah, Masahiko was in denial. It's not easy to admit everything you believed in was a lie, so he chose to hold on to his misplaced trust in Dai Shocker and only saw the error of his ways when they betrayed him a second time. KAMEN RIDER DIE: I think he'd've probably given them another chance, were it not for the terrifically literal All-Humans-To-Monsters Program. I adore the stupidity of both the name and the scheme. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: I guess? It didn't feel like this story tried to pull anything new out of Tsukasa. It sort of interrogates the difference between running away and continuing your journey, but that's never really been Tsukasa's dilemma. He's looking for a place where he belongs, just like Amazon, but (excluding last story's badly written first act) he was never abandoning anything or anyone to get it. In this story, he's... I don't know, he's shaken a bit, but he isn't refining his worldview or coming to new realizations. I didn't feel like we saw any new facets of Tsukasa or anyone else from Team Decade in this story.
SH RANGER: There's a very specific scene in there that I can't go into detail about until you watch the movie, but other than that, I still think there are some new sides to Tsukasa. Like he's suffering from the consequences of this journey, that he's destined to be hated no matter where he travels and even if he meets a chill Rider like Amazon, the world will have something else to throw at him. And hearing from Amazon who traveled across many continents and still never found what he was looking for, it makes him wonder about the futility of his journey. The fear that he's never going to find where he belongs. Even though running away wasn't really in the foreground before, I think that's a part of Tsukasa, where he's getting tired of the journey and never actually feeling like he's moving anywhere. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DIE: That's a fair interpretation! I don't know if I'm ever going to love how focused Tsukasa is on discovering his past -- and I think various arcs are pretty ambivalent about it -- but it's definitely the mode this show is in now, as evidenced by this arc.
Anything else from this one you felt like touching on? Onodera gets to Henshin, which feels unusual enough to be worth acknowledging. SH RANGER: I do have about 4 things I'd like to talk about briefly. Since you brought it up, we'll start with the Kuuga action. And not just any Kuuga, but Titan Kuuga! Sure is nice to see Yuusuke getting into the action in this last third of the show. I mean I've tried until ep. 6 at the time I typed this. Well it's ok, I don't really have any expectations, just wondering if they'd actually film it in America... or having an excuse to not too... kinda expected that it's the latter, using the excuse that it's done on the end of the series.
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10-12-2021, 02:57 PM | #498 |
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Regarding the Double Riders, yeah, if I ever get around to watching that, I'll probably be looking for a condensed episode list. Goranger's 84 I can handle, but damn, 98 is a lot! Quote:
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World of Amazon felt... to me at the time, it felt like it was basically a random choice. Like, they needed a vehicle to highlight Dai-Shocker's invasion of the worlds and so they picked a random rider -- and with all of Heisei done and Black/RX last episode, I guess they felt Amazon would be the most fun?
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Well it's good that there's an explanation of the Amazon in the episode being seen less favorably... I̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶f̶e̶a̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶y̶p̶o̶c̶r̶i̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶v̶i̶e̶w̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶a̶n̶t̶i̶-̶r̶e̶g̶r̶e̶t̶t̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶i̶v̶a̶l̶r̶y̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶y̶e̶t̶ ̶n̶e̶x̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶r̶e̶j̶e̶c̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶m̶a̶l̶e̶ ̶A̶m̶a̶z̶o̶n̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶e̶m̶a̶l̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶T̶o̶m̶o̶k̶o̶!̶ The Amazon here had the same name as the original Daisuke Yamamoto, but he has different actor for the Decade one Enrique Sakamoto (not "obviously"... Ichigo had his original actor Hiroshi Fujioka back for future reappearences!).
I was actually referring to the Riders for that statement. Sorry if I was unclear. I meant that's how people are conditioned by Dai Shocker to see them.
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10-12-2021, 07:18 PM | #499 |
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ZX has a cool design (ninjas, duh), but his special was an unfortunate waste of time considering the whole first half is just a documentary and then Ryo's backstory is shown through expository narration so we don't really get to learn anything personal about the character. It feels like he was overshadowed by his predecessors and maybe he should've got his own solo film before having a big crossover.
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10-12-2021, 09:43 PM | #500 |
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Though this probably would ruin the funny part of yours (well though you also want for it to be more than just a joke), I'd like to know how the Dai-Shocker manages to get a genuine approval from the citizens, they're all fully loyal to a fault to the Dai-Shocker, to the point of being outright zealot-ish.
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I think that, though Amazon is a parallel character, Tsukasa won't ever be someone who'd be open on his 'weakness', where it had to happen if Amazon would make Tsukasa express more of himself or such. I probably think that Tsukasa won't be shaken on finding certain someone who suffers similar way as he did in a world that rejects them, I mean he had endured that for most of the time, and there's someone who'd be harder to feel (or at least openly) for others if they've gone through as bad or worse problems which'd make them feel that other's problems are small or no big deal in comparison, and probably Tsukasa's that type... I think that also roots from his claim of him being unable to feel the pain from others, and that going through it himself can increase that (or probably the reason) further...continuing from below...
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