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06-30-2021, 09:11 PM | #151 |
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do we really still have any hope for women being treated not-awfully in this franchise? The last three years feels like these shows keep trying to top themselves in how disappointing they can be in that regard.
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06-30-2021, 09:14 PM | #152 |
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I'm optimistic about things.
I mean the fact of the matter is there's some sort of push going on, whether that translates to the writers and producers is a tossup at best. But the fact that we've been getting a lot more female Riders as of late is at least a sign of gears turning slightly. |
06-30-2021, 09:18 PM | #153 |
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We have been, though... I gotta admit, the way Sabela and Valkyrie have been handled makes me wish they just hadn't bothered at all.
Still! Optimistic for this season, so whatever. Main hope is still that they keep the number of Riders low because otherwise it just becomes a mess
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06-30-2021, 09:56 PM | #154 |
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Valkyrie and Sabela may have been underwhelming, but just the fact that we've had two seasons in a row (three if you count Tsukuyomi, though having not seen Zi-O I don't know how well she was handled either) with female riders seems encouraging.
I do hope Revice has fewer riders especially if each one also has a monster partner, two many-rider seasons in a row was kind of a lot and it would be nice to have one that tightened the focus on a smaller cast again. And like Kurona said, if they keep up this pattern of 1 female rider per season, 1 out of 3 is a lot less glaring than 1 out of 13. (Now watch as Revice's monster buddy turns out to be this season's token woman and she never has a human form XD)
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06-30-2021, 10:24 PM | #155 |
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i hope that revice is just nothing but dudes having bromances everywhere, because i am so tired of 'we need more female riders' being a criticism and then being upset when the female riders aren't even necessarily that important
/hyperbolic joke On a more serious note, while I do love the seasons where there are a LOT of Riders, I do think that the more Riders there are, the more difficult it is to give all the Riders equal focus, and that when there's a female Rider who isn't a main character, that people just zoom in on that, even if there are plenty of male Riders who don't get focused on in the main series. And I'm specifying 'main series' since some Riders DO get lucky and get extra material focused on them, like Buster, but that extra material isn't always important, and/or is just something arguably for fun, like the Gridon vs. Bravo specials. Like being sidelined in and of itself isn't really that much of an issue, I think. Happens to plenty of Riders who aren't the main two/three hero Riders or the main villain Rider(s). It's just that with female Riders, it's a lot more noticeable because people seem to really put a lot of expectations and sometimes unfound importance onto them, only to inevitably get disappointed when they're not nearly as important as they seemed because the focus is not on them. Like I'm not saying it's wrong to be disappointed if you are, it's just that I think people should ease up on expecting TOO much. And it's not like being a Rider is the only thing that would make a female character important. In Zero-One, Izu is arguably the MOST important character besides Aruto and Fuwa on the protagonist side (excluding the movie where she DOES become a Rider, but that's long after the series ended). So I dislike the idea that the only way a female character can be important is if they fight. EDIT: Gonna clarify that I DO like seeing more female Riders, it's always cool to see more of them, I just think that people shouldn't put so much expectations on them being 'super important' too much, because that can just lead to disappointment. Like I'm not a fan of Reika's character development after Ryoga's introduction (even if I do like his concept), but I always had a feeling that in the grand scheme of Saber's story that she wasn't nearly as important as some people thought she was, so it didn't necessarily bother me. And Ryoga's basically in the same boat. Last edited by MKDremare; 06-30-2021 at 10:37 PM.. |
06-30-2021, 10:36 PM | #156 |
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And it's not like being a Rider is the only thing that would make a female character important. In Zero-One, Izu is arguably the MOST important character besides Aruto and Fuwa on the protagonist side (excluding the movie where she DOES become a Rider, but that's long after the series ended). So I dislike the idea that the only way a female character can be important is if they fight.
Like, look at the Reiwa shows. Who are the most important male characters who don't transform? Tassel? Those comic relief guys at Hiden? Buster's son??? I appreciate this line of thinking but I don't think it really looks at things from the flipside, where every semi-important male character (and also ones that barely matter like Slash and Ikazuchi) do transform. When you had shows like OOO or Wizard the focus was on a singular character and a later secondary that could transform, and even shows with a larger amount of Riders from the start like Blade or Agito had major male supporting casts -- and while a lack of female riders in these shows is still annoying, it's a lot easier to accept for those reasons. But in the modern day, every single character gets to transform... EXCEPT the girls, so it's way more suspect. To be quite frank, I would much rather have situations like Ghost or Blade or Drive where none of the girls get to transform but there's only 3-4 Riders in the whole show anyway and most of the characters are supporting cast members; including guys who don't transform. But you can't just throw out "You just don't understand that characters can still be important without transforming!" without acknowledging that it's the most ironic thing you could say about modern Rider where any guy with more than five lines is guaranteed to have a toy on shelves within a couple months.
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06-30-2021, 10:42 PM | #157 |
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Also the major female leads in recent years haven't been great either in my opion. Izu's main and only character trait from beginning to end was just being a subservient support to Aruto (and also she got fridged during the last arc). And Tsukuyomi... sucks. She's barely a character.
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06-30-2021, 10:45 PM | #158 |
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I see this line a lot, and the problem I have with it is that in recent Rider shows, every single important male character is a Rider.
Like, look at the Reiwa shows. Who are the most important male characters who don't transform? Tassel? Those comic relief guys at Hiden? Buster's son??? I appreciate this line of thinking but I don't think it really looks at things from the flipside, where every semi-important male character (and also ones that barely matter like Slash and Ikazuchi) do transform. When you had shows like OOO or Wizard the focus was on a singular character and a later secondary that could transform, and even shows with a larger amount of Riders from the start like Blade or Agito had major male supporting casts -- and while a lack of female riders in these shows is still annoying, it's a lot easier to accept for those reasons. But in the modern day, every single character gets to transform... EXCEPT the girls, so it's way more suspect. To be quite frank, I would much rather have situations like Ghost or Blade or Drive where none of the girls get to transform but there's only 3-4 Riders in the whole show anyway and most of the characters are supporting cast members; including guys who don't transform. But you can't just throw out "You just don't understand that characters can still be important without transforming!" without acknowledging that it's the most ironic thing you could say about modern Rider where any guy with more than five lines is guaranteed to have a toy on shelves within a couple months. Hopefully we'll get to see more non-Rider male characters in Revice, because while I do love having multiple Riders, it'd be refreshing to see them put out the idea that 'not everyone needs to be a Rider to be important' again. Quote:
Also the major female leads in recent years haven't been great either in my opion. Izu's main and only character trait from beginning to end was just being a subservient support to Aruto (and also she got fridged during the last arc). And Tsukuyomi... sucks. She's barely a character.
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06-30-2021, 10:47 PM | #159 |
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Oh it is, no question. There's no more thought put into it than that
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06-30-2021, 10:54 PM | #160 |
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Not that I don't think we should stop, since it's super cool that we've gotten this far with having female Riders, and even our first nonbinary Rider with Naki. And let's be honest, the best place to get real female representation in toku in the first place is Super Sentai. |
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