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09-17-2015, 04:35 PM | #12581 |
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Fuck Kuuga.
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09-17-2015, 04:45 PM | #12582 |
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Nah, he's cool. But the ending isn't quite what you'd expect.
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09-17-2015, 04:52 PM | #12583 |
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Actually, I'm kind of sad you don't like it, but in rewatching it, it's not like I can argue that you're wrong for finding it slow and dull, because it is.
Yet strangely, I still like it. But I ONLY like it for Kuuga, and I'm clearly giving it a lot more credit in my mind than it deserves. |
09-17-2015, 04:54 PM | #12584 |
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That ending pissed me off so much that I can't even give the series as a whole an analysis.
Fuck that show.
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09-17-2015, 05:10 PM | #12585 |
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09-17-2015, 05:11 PM | #12586 |
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Actually, I'm kind of sad you don't like it, but in rewatching it, it's not like I can argue that you're wrong for finding it slow and dull, because it is.
Yet strangely, I still like it. But I ONLY like it for Kuuga, and I'm clearly giving it a lot more credit in my mind than it deserves. Godai is likable, and his ability to instill hope is admirable. Ichijou is one of my favorite characters in Kamen Rider period, and he can't even transform. And...Kuuga's design is good. I don't want to sound mean, but I went into Kuuga expecting a lot. I got nothing out of it. The story was so slow that we, as viewers, got no information until the early 20's, when the Grongi started speaking Linto, so we could actually keep up. Not helped that even when the story looked to be advancing, the integral characters would disappear and it would be just MOTW for a few episodes straight (I'm looking at you, bat Grongi). The characters rarely felt like they were growing (It took the entire flipping series for Enokida to acknowledge that maybe her son is starting to have abandonment issues), while others just didn't change at all (Everyone at the restaurant, Sawatori, and Minori, for example). But let's be a little more fair, shall we? The story arcs they did present were great. You could feel the emotions the characters were going through, the dread and despair was conveyed wonderfully. The downside would be that it would end next episode and never be brought up again. It really felt like a waste of time to give characters these levels of attention now, after the fact, since they play no real role in the plot at hand. Then, as if it's just pushing to see what it can get away with, with the exception of maybe 2 occasions, every cliffhanger is instantly resolved before the opening theme of the next episode. Kuuga stabbed and pinned to a wall and the episode ends? Next begins with Ichijou firing at the monster's back, Kuuga unpinning himself, and the monster running, as if that tension never existed at all. I did not enjoy Kuuga at all. Half the cast played no role beyond set dressing, the other half that were important didn't actually contribute outside of the rare occasions. The action was lacking, being very subdued. Some would say that's not a bad thing. And it's not. The first 20 times. The remaining 30 made fight scenes just dull and time consuming. The bike scenes were nice, but those don't save a series. Kuuga's transformations were also fun, but the Rising forms were glorified finishers, such worry was placed on Rising Mighty that he barely used it, and Amazing and Ultimate were used a whopping 1 time, so it's hard to really call them memorable. And that climax. Oh, that climax. Punching each other on a snowy mountain. Then cut to Ichijou, then cut to them in their human forms, still just punching each other. Then they fall down. That was the most anti climactic fight I've seen and it was so angering that the only reason why I watched the final episode immediately afterwards was so I could just get it over with. The final episode was mediocre. Showing everyone after everything was said and done. Godai saved the world and everything is perfect. Yay. I really wanted to like Kuuga, I really did. While I'm forgiving to a lot, it's attempts at trying something different led to such a boring experience that was only enjoyable because Ichijou was written well. And that's the problem with Kuuga. It's not bad, in a sense. It's just boring. It reels all it's action in, it wants to make the characters "Real" in the sense that they do fucking nothing, and it just doesn't want to keep any sense of flow or pace. It's not offensively bad as Decade, or as facepalmingly dumb as Faiz (Which I couldn't even finish), but Kuuga is the slowest, most dull, most boring series Kamen Rider I've ever seen.
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09-17-2015, 05:17 PM | #12587 |
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These final 2 episodes filled me with more despair than a Phantom.
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09-17-2015, 05:22 PM | #12588 |
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I think Kuuga is just one of those shows where either its uniqueness clicks with you or deeply irritates you. I've never really seen a lot of people who were just middle-of-the-road on it. Personally, I still love it despite all of its flaws.
That said, it is definitely a show that does not age well. Skyrider holds up better over time, and that show had a damn disco soundtrack. The show's budget was obviously minuscule, the CGI was not nearly advanced enough for what they wanted it for, it was way more slow drama than action-adventure, and the ending... Okay, so I get what they were trying to do with the ending. It's a metaphor. I can respect the idea of doing something like that instead of the big CGI explosionfest. It really doesn't work, though. Still, not as bad as Faiz's ending. Quote:
... Okay, I was going to google up a Kuuga MLP drawing, but the only one I could find showed him Rider Kicking the yellow one in the face, so, uh... nevermind. Last edited by Switchblade; 09-17-2015 at 05:25 PM.. |
09-17-2015, 05:27 PM | #12589 |
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I don't mind the fight episode, I get what they were going for, and I can kind of appreciate it for what it is, though it isn't really what I would want out of a finale like that. I also get what they were doing with the final episode, but again it doesn't really do much for me. I think I would have appreciated the last episode a lot, had they shown at the end that Godai died to defeat Daguva, but I understand why they didn't go that route. What are you going to watch next? I enjoy you're episode by episode reflections, and I'd like to read along with your next show, especially if it's one like Kuuga that I'm pretty familiar with. I can't remember which other shows you've done (in part because I probably missed many of your posts, sometimes this thread grows so quickly I'll miss pages and pages of discussion), but I'm tempted to try and pick out just your posts from this thread and read through them. |
09-17-2015, 05:43 PM | #12590 |
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I think Kuuga is just one of those shows where either its uniqueness clicks with you or deeply irritates you. I've never really seen a lot of people who were just middle-of-the-road on it. Personally, I still love it despite all of its flaws.
That said, it is definitely a show that does not age well. Skyrider holds up better over time, and that show had a damn disco soundtrack. The show's budget was obviously minuscule, the CGI was not nearly advanced enough for what they wanted it for, it was way more slow drama than action-adventure, and the ending... Okay, so I get what they were trying to do with the ending. It's a metaphor. I can respect the idea of doing something like that instead of the big CGI explosionfest. It really doesn't work, though. Still, not as bad as Faiz's ending. Then I will be your hope. ... Okay, I was going to google up a Kuuga MLP drawing, but the only one I could find showed him Rider Kicking the yellow one in the face, so, uh... nevermind. It wanted to have a mystery aspect, but in doing that, the audience was left so far behind in information that keeping up with the plot was borderline impossible. Even when the Grongi started speaking Linto, they would still move into Grongi just to make things difficult to keep up with. Godai felt like a discount Eiji. Godai never felt like a growing character. The brief moments he did (Like his violent outburst against the porcupine Grongi) were removed by the next episode ("I don't want to be like that anymore, so I'mma smile." "Kay." and instantly resolved). He's not bad, and he's very likable, but he was just rather static. I don't know how to comment on the fight scenes, as the only series before it that I've seen is Amazon, so I don't know how later Showa era handled fights. I can understand what they were trying to do, but they felt like they were stumbling too much to fully follow through. And no worries. I found a Kuuga MLP image~ Quote:
I don't mind the fight episode, I get what they were going for, and I can kind of appreciate it for what it is, though it isn't really what I would want out of a finale like that. I also get what they were doing with the final episode, but again it doesn't really do much for me. I think I would have appreciated the last episode a lot, had they shown at the end that Godai died to defeat Daguva, but I understand why they didn't go that route. The final episode makes sense, everyone enjoying life and the things Godai did. But that's just it. It's people going "Yeah, Godai is great." "Yeah. He's awesome." for 20 minutes. Quote:
What are you going to watch next? I enjoy you're episode by episode reflections, and I'd like to read along with your next show, especially if it's one like Kuuga that I'm pretty familiar with. I can't remember which other shows you've done (in part because I probably missed many of your posts, sometimes this thread grows so quickly I'll miss pages and pages of discussion), but I'm tempted to try and pick out just your posts from this thread and read through them.
I was thinking on watching a Sentai next, but I may watch another Rider series (I've been intending on revisiting Den-O, Kabuto, and Ryuki, while I've yet to see Agito, all of Faiz (15 episodes in. New record!), or Hibiki).
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