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12-07-2018, 08:17 PM | #71 |
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I posted this in the other thread, but... I'm seriously wondering if giving Sentai one-to-five years off wouldn't be the worst thing in the world?
I don't want to think about a world without Sentai, but the ratings are low, the toy sales are low... it's obvious that something about Sentai isn't working. Maybe it's time to put it on ice for a while and let Toei fill the void with another, potentially original, toku series. Then, it comes back in a couple years to massive fanfare, huge ratings, and big toy sales. I dunno. It's just a thought. |
12-07-2018, 08:19 PM | #72 |
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12-07-2018, 08:25 PM | #73 |
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Bandai Namco will most likely not be releasing Power Rangers related income on the investor relations financial update shows and quarterly performance charts next year. There's going to be a licensing fee, but they won't see 100% of the gross as it's no longer being licensed to a subsidiary. This is going to look like a massive loss of revenue after four years (probably five by the end of LuPat) of failing to meet projections by wide margins. (https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bi...?entry_id=6242 / https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bi...?entry_id=5729 / https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bi...?entry_id=5728 ) I'm quite aware of the bigger picture.
I think it's become very easy for people on either side of the argument to bend over backwards to discredit or disprove whatever side it is they don't agree with. You keep saying it's increased that revenue has increased, but where is your evidence? I can point you to numerous charts on Bandai Namco's own site that point to the contrary, at least specifically in regards to the Super Sentai brand. Again, I'm well aware of the "bigger picture", those Bandai Asia and BoA sales have up to now been included in the group-wide totals on the investor relation sheets the company releases. The group-wide totals sometimes do better year on year but ever since ToQger, the Toys and Hobby business numbers have missed their targets, in some cases being overtaken by brands that hadn't really been selling well in over a decade. Also, where are you getting that ratings are increasing? The only show to have increased ratings in recent years is Ninninger, which increase the a whopping .07% after ToQger. They dropped harder with Kyuranger and now there's another smaller drop going on with LuPat. (https://mevius.5ch.net/test/read.cgi...542280000//290 / https://www10.atwiki.jp/shichouseiko/pages/15.html ) Yes, there's a new time slot, but Kamen Rider's numbers have actually been improving somewhat at the start of Zi-O in that new slot, which is not the case with Sentai these days. I'm not implying anyone is going to buy Bandai out of anything, read my post again, I answered another poster and informed them of what would need to happen for Takra Tomy to take over the toy side of the brand, which won't happen. Ryuusouger reeks of desperation. Everything from dinosaurs to Ranger Key-like collectibles screams of trying to harp on the successes of the past, there's no creativity, there's no forward thinking, it's Bandai Namco attempting sustainability. One could even make the argument that this a play to go beyond Japan because of how successful Kyoryuger was as Dino Force in Japan. It was the most successful of the "Power Rangers" Sentai lines over there and justified the production of a new show, however short it was, in the form of Dino Force Brave. Doing a show in the same mold would allow for another potentially massive market. They're trying to cover all their bases, leave no stone unturned. Bandai Namco and Toei aren't straight up cold to each other, but the creative heads on the shows have very little input in the initial output of designs and themes. Kamen Rider Gaim's writer was brought on when the show was already designed, its producer had one idea for themes but was superseded. TV Asahi is also taking greater control in all of Toei's tokusatsu shows in recent years. Their producer has been listed as Chief Producer since the third cour of Kamen Rider Ghost, when in the past there was very little distinction made between Toei and TV Asahi's producers. I think it's very crude to simply dismiss these ideas as gullible when it's clear you yourself have various simple facts wrong. Sentai has been failed to meet sales projections for half a decade and is currently in its worse performing year since numbers have been made public. When there are increases in profit, its either minuscule (Zyuohger) or decent but not something Sentai is able to hold onto. The loss of profit with LuPat indicates some serious brand rot is going on, it means people aren't really sticking around for Sentai, but for whatever the theme is. And, I get it, that's sort of the genius of Sentai, it can constantly reinvent itself, but faltering happens when they have to tear down the structure of the toy line so much in such a short span of time. I don't know what "proof" is being rubbed in English speaking people's faces, but I'm quite able to read and communicate in Japanese and this topic is one that comes up frequently, so, again, what's the proof? This is clearly an issue that even tokusatsu fans in Japan are concerned about, it's not limited to us poor westerners. So, again, looking at it on paper, with the facts that Bandai Namco provides to their own investors: Sentai has failed to meet sales projections in the last five years, six with LuPat. Their 40+ year old toy brand is having its worst year ever and has been faltering for the better part of a decade, something is amiss. (also, seriously, what's up with the high horse, judgmental attitude? what even makes you think that's called for? you can at least be civil.) But yeah, unless you can provide solid evidence to the contrary to back up your argument, I'm peacing out of this conversation, it's gonna get real circular, real snide, real fast. Saying "nope! it's not true because I know it's not!" is not how discourse works.
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12-07-2018, 08:34 PM | #74 |
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12-07-2018, 08:36 PM | #75 |
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he's just telling you to relax, he's being civil, he's just telling to stop taking things what fans that dont work for toei and bandai that say on forums are true, if it was true, the high ups would be making statements that this is the last sentai and im sure japanese fans and actors on twitter would be saying something about kamen rider and sentai being cancelled, it's a big deal to them. i also have a insider aka matt hunt on twitter that's the responsible to leaks of the toy scans and has very close info from toei, says that he wasnt heard anything about sentai and kr being cancelled and that information of it being cancelled is strictly false, if you want you ask him. just stop negative reading posts, numbers and all that stuff about sentai being cancelled. if there's information he will gladly past it as long, let's just enjoy the new sentai and they will always be new ones every year. |
12-07-2018, 09:04 PM | #76 |
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Hmmm...for some reason the suits give me Lord Zedd vibes.
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12-07-2018, 10:54 PM | #77 |
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I guess it looks ok - visually, but I prefer when Sentai doesn't patronize but instead takes risks and takes the series to new places. Another dinosaur team just seems too soon, if not just lazy and disappointing. They even have the same core colors as Kyoryuger. WTF? And only one girl? I hate it when they do that.
Maybe dinosaur teams sell merchandise best. Maybe Bandai's market research dictated that Jurassic World was popularizing dinosaurs so the toys would sell gangbuster right now. But Gokaiger? Bad@$$ pirate Sentai. Are they good or bad? Who knows. Gobuster? Technology-spy Sentai with latex-like costumes and chrome mask glasses visors. ToQger? Train Sentai that look like they were intended to come out in the 60's or something. Lupinranger v. Patoranger? Cops v. robbers. 2 Sentai teams competing in one show. Cool. All of those were more unique and interesting than a 4th dinosaur team. I guess that averages out to about one every decade, but it still seems like a letdown with respect to what else could be. Unless the show does some really interesting things we're not expecting yet, this is going to be a long year. |
12-07-2018, 11:17 PM | #78 |
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Black isn't a Stegosaurus, Black is a Miragaia longicollum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miragaia_longicollum
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12-07-2018, 11:27 PM | #79 |
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I will admit that Dragons would have been cool, but I also feel that dragons have been present in nearly everything Toku Related (Ninninger had a dragon, Kyuranger had a dragon, Kamen Rider has had heavy dragon-related items), so Dinosaurs are a nice breather.
One thing that seems astounding to me (since no one has mentioned it), is that this seems very Hesei-anniversary like to me. It makes sense, given that this is the last Sentai, but didn't the Hesei era start around 1990? This seems to combine Zyuranger, Abaranger, and Kyoryuger while adding a little bit of variety. After all Zyuranger was near the beginning of the Hesei era, Abaranger in the middle, and Kyoryuger near the end. Seems like quite an amazing Hesei anniversary theme. |
12-07-2018, 11:56 PM | #80 |
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I will admit that Dragons would have been cool, but I also feel that dragons have been present in nearly everything Toku Related (Ninninger had a dragon, Kyuranger had a dragon, Kamen Rider has had heavy dragon-related items), so Dinosaurs are a nice breather.
One thing that seems astounding to me (since no one has mentioned it), is that this seems very Hesei-anniversary like to me. It makes sense, given that this is the last Sentai, but didn't the Hesei era start around 1990? This seems to combine Zyuranger, Abaranger, and Kyoryuger while adding a little bit of variety. After all Zyuranger was near the beginning of the Hesei era, Abaranger in the middle, and Kyoryuger near the end. Seems like quite an amazing Hesei anniversary theme. Though there are certain things I am warming up to with Ryusouger, it still does not change the fact that Bandai and Toei have recycled one of their biggest money makers within the Super Sentai vault from at least a half a decade ago thus showing a strong sense of desperity. And the show could turn out great with high sales, but what next after that, you know? At this rate that is.
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