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03-13-2020, 08:19 PM | #31 |
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I get the feeling that Ren's not the most careful, considered combatant. I think if Yui wasn't there as an ally, he'd probably be an ex-Rider by now.
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That feel when....your supposedly most morally upstanding character....gets called out by their misbehaving (though like how I elaborate from my post from yesterday, I also think Yui is also the most morally upright too in the series), like Kiriya lecturing Emu in Ex-Aid. So you also think Shinji's an asshole here for accusing Ren, well I'm kinda someone who will do what Shinji does if someone's that much asshole to me like Ren.
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I will also bring out our discussion earlier from the Ghost watch thread which also corresponds well to this moment (as why Yui thinks Shinji is more untrustworthy). Ren's goal is more immediate and personal, while Shinji's seemed less so. With Ren, it's clear what he was fighting for and the lengths he'd go to, there was a clarity to his actions and an energy to the performance that really popped in those early days. Shinji was nice for the sake of being nice, but didn't have a clear agenda, which wasn't as easy to understand.
See above! I loved that part. There wasn't really a great way to talk about it organically, but, yes, so fun.
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03-13-2020, 08:20 PM | #32 |
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So honestly, I really liked what Episode 4 did with Shinji because it feels like a natural response someone would do if they're trying to help but had given it zero thought. Maybe the leap to 'the guy kills children' seems a little far, but also Shinji's ran into Ren about... four times by now, and half those times Ren's tried to kill him without remorse, so y'know. Don't think that'd give me the best of definitely-doesn't-kill-children vibes either! He sees a dude that's not just an asshole but an asshole predisposed to murder, and he's not comfortable with someone innocent being around him. He went about it clunkily, but that's what made it so natural to me; this whole episode was just really nice at tackling something ("Ren What The Fuck") that both Shinji and audience would be feeling and dispels those assumptions well.
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03-13-2020, 08:21 PM | #33 |
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I'm very excited to see their Kamen Rider Odd Couple energy in the next episode!
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03-13-2020, 08:32 PM | #34 |
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Oh, shoot, I've found something in Ryuki to defend!
So honestly, I really liked what Episode 4 did with Shinji because it feels like a natural response someone would do if they're trying to help but had given it zero thought. Maybe the leap to 'the guy kills children' seems a little far, but also Shinji's ran into Ren about... four times by now, and half those times Ren's tried to kill him without remorse, so y'know. Don't think that'd give me the best of definitely-doesn't-kill-children vibes either! He sees a dude that's not just an asshole but an asshole predisposed to murder, and he's not comfortable with someone innocent being around him. He went about it clunkily, but that's what made it so natural to me; this whole episode was just really nice at tackling something ("Ren What The Fuck") that both Shinji and audience would be feeling and dispels those assumptions well. Goddamnit, I knew that quote would get someone defending Shinji in that episode. I just assumed it'd be Fish Sandwich? I guess it says something about where my loyalties lay on the spectrum of Tortured Rider to Earnest Friendly Rider that I didn't see Shinji's side of things so much as I thought he owed Ren a thank you for not killing him every time he had the chance. Ren didn't feel proprietary or cruel in those scenes, he seemed like a dude who wasn't going let some Level 0 jerk-off tell him how to detonate monsters. The joke is, like I posted elsewhere, it's completely in character for Shinji to stick his nose in where it doesn't belong. Like, my goddamn signature image right now! It's about how Shinji can't keep out of other people's business! I just didn't think it came off at all cute or charmingly misguided here. It felt invasive, intrusive. I didn't like that look on Shinji, because I know he means well. This one maybe warranted a stronger response from Yui and/or some legit regret from Shinji.
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03-13-2020, 08:43 PM | #35 |
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I think I will give many thoughts about Ryuki, possibly even for each episode (instead of arc). I think currently this place is the only one to discuss Ryuki currently and the only place to share my thoughts (Not to be attention seeking but I hope most of my thoughts are responded).
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And btw, what I mean for "I also have to give it to Yui too in this department" before is that her kindness and heroism rivals Shinji's, as the topic before was about how Shinji takes spotlight with his heroism, not about how she's smarter/more sensible. Quote:
I just, I'm not seeing how Shinji's supposed to seem protective here. He doesn't know these people at all. For him to show up and say that Yui's not safe with Ren around, it strikes me as a massive overstep. It's in character, it's the same thing he did in the premiere with the truck driver, but it's zero percent charming or heroic here. It's... I feel like they're going for a thing where he lets his confidence get the best of him, but it feels so much grosser when he's doing it to a pair of friends (or more?) rather than a monster or another Rider. It's too much.
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03-13-2020, 10:32 PM | #36 |
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I think I will give many thoughts about Ryuki, possibly even for each episode (instead of arc). I think currently this place is the only one to discuss Ryuki currently and the only place to share my thoughts (Not to be attention seeking but I hope most of my thoughts are responded).
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I am literally fighting myself to not call him Ron from now on. It is taking self-control I didn't know I possessed.
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03-13-2020, 10:38 PM | #37 |
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MASKED RIDER RYUKI EPISODES 5 - 6
I feel like we’re getting into the meat of the season with this story. This is what I was expecting from Ryuki. Cutting to the chase (NOT SORRY), it’s the debut and demise of Kamen Rider Scissors! He’s an interesting antagonist, part savvy operator and part lucky recipient of some terribly misguided optimism from Shinji. Him being a Kamen Rider, it definitely creates a more morally ambiguous landscape, and puts Shinji’s (naive?) belief in Kamen Riders’ intrinsic heroism in a tougher spot. I liked the whole thing Scissors had going on. The twist of him being a cop, of leveraging people’s trust to get away with literal murder, that was a nice choice in a show that already displays a healthy skepticism regarding authority figures. (Goddamn Reiko, with that bullshit “Oh, I always trust the police” when Scissors tells her to stay out of it. She’s the best! Maybe the only smart person in this episode besides Ren!) Scissors has a demeanor that, like Ren’s, makes the whole Rider Battle thing feel more terrifying for how unemotional they are about a duel to the death. I’ve seen people get more worked up over Pokemon battles. These two are just like Oh I Guess It’s Time To See Which Of Us Will Die. Knight attacking Ryuki in the second episode had that same thing, and I really like it. It plays into Shinji’s confusion and anger, that they’d kill one another and not seem to care. I like what Scissors’ arrival (and departure!) means for the show. I like how the simplistic Blow Up Monsters gets complicated by bad Riders and contracts and Shiro’s commands and whatever is waiting at the end of the battle. Shinji’s tried to take a stand for Rider Shall Not Harm Rider, and he’s seen just how untenable that stance is. Other Riders may put his friends in danger to get what they want, and the only way to keep them safe may be by destroying them. It’s not going to be an easy road. We got to see a bit of how each of the two main Riders are going to approach it, to some clever results. Shinji wanted to stop Scissors’ villainy, but didn’t want to kill him. Ren mostly didn’t care about Scissors’ villainy, but did want to kill him. (Neither of them were cool with Scissors’ kidnapping Yui, but A, that was really on Shinji, what was he even thinking volunteering that info to a total stranger I mean there’s trying to make connections and then there’s shit that we teach children are you a child Shinji I thought you were a grown-ass man why would you tell a guy you just fought personal information about people who can’t defend themselves what were you thiiiiinnnkkkkkiiiinnngggg, and B, Scissors’ just walked it off with a mea culpa that was pretty goddamn funny.) The idea of the more experienced Ren being all Kill Riders No Matter What and the powerful but naive Shinji being all Maybe We Don’t Have To Kill Them, there’s a show that that dynamic reminds me of, especially how much I enjoy the mentor character’s dynamic with the series star, but it’s name and who wrote it is totally escaping me right now. So, yeah, strong couple episodes! A little darker, not much jokes in this one, and no one seems to know how to lock a door for some reason (Yui just leaves the tea shop unlocked when she goes off with Scissors?), but it’s a real strong introduction to the part of the show I was maybe most looking forward to. I want to see a bunch of Riders fight and I want to see the star of the show feel super conflicted about that. Pretty into it! Oh, and I know that I was clear on the No Spoilers thing, but I’ve got to know: Is Reiko’s eyepatch a plot point that’ll come back, or some behind-the-scenes thing with the actor? When she’s wearing it at the beginning of this story, I honest-to-god thought I’d missed her get monster-attacked in the last episode.
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03-13-2020, 11:01 PM | #38 |
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Oh, and I know that I was clear on the No Spoilers thing, but I’ve [I got[/I] to know: Is Reiko’s eyepatch a plot point that’ll come back, or some behind-the-scenes thing with the actor? When she’s wearing it at the beginning of this story, I honest-to-god thought I’d missed her get monster-attacked in the last episode.
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03-13-2020, 11:04 PM | #39 |
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Okay, cool, thanks! I figured it was a personal thing, but it was super-weird how they didn't address it until, like, the middle of the episode. Did... did they think no one would notice?
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03-13-2020, 11:19 PM | #40 |
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I have watched this show twice and I don't even remember it! So yes, in other words.
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