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09-24-2020, 08:59 PM | #1 |
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Hi, everybody. Welcome to Kamen Rider Die Watches Kamen Rider Hibiki, a thread where I watch Hibiki and discuss it.
First off, in case you only come to the Kamen Rider Die Watches threads and are missing out on all of the other great TokuNation content (shout-out to my mom, Kamen Rider Dianne), GrandComplete is watching the free-on-YouTube Legend Heroes toku, and posting some thoughts on each episode. If you're looking to experience some non-Kamen/Sentai/Ultra tokusatsu, it's a thread you'd get a lot out of. Over in this one, we'll be talking about Kamen Rider Hibiki. This is the... ninth one of these I've done? Is that right? Ghost Ex-Aid movies Build Kuuga Agito Ryuki Faiz Blade Yeah, god, ninth. Didn't... I did not think this was going to be a long-term thing, but now I can't see a way to stop. Pretty much just doing these threads forever, now. Before we start with the Hibiki watching and talking, let's cover some ground rules! PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING FROM HIBIKI I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET I'm watching Hibiki for the first time, and I don't really know anything about it. (Other than the production shakeup, which is The Main Thing people who haven't watched Hibiki know about it.) I like experiencing these shows as cold as possible, so please try to stay away from talking about anything I haven't seen yet. If possible, try to avoid even hinting at stuff. (Mentioning that you don't like how a certain character's arc goes, for example, or that some plot point doesn't pay off.) Even hinting at future developments (or your feelings about them) gets me expecting stuff I normally wouldn't have expected, which makes the process of watching this show a bit less enjoyable. If you can keep your comments to the currently-watched episode and anything prior, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT ANY SHOWS I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET Along the same lines, please don't mention stuff from Kabuto through Decade, and Zi-O on. Like I mentioned, I feel like I'm just going to be doing these threads until I'm physically/mentally unable to do so, and even then I'll just half-ass it. (Really looking forward to half-assing it, you guys.) If you can stay away from talking about any of those shows in this thread, Kamen Rider Die Watches Kamen Rider Saber (or whatever) will be just that much better for it. I MIGHT TALK ABOUT SHOWS YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, THOUGH There are probably going to be times when a comparison to another Kamen Rider makes sense, and at those times I might spoil something from a different show. Consider this a SPOILER WARNING for Kuuga through Blade, and Double through Build. THERE IS A TONE TO THESE THAT IS MAYBE NOT FOR EVERYONE Episode posts are... they're mostly me conveying my mindset in the aftermath of an episode. It's all first draft, very little editing. I will make jokes. I will make up names, if the show refuses to do so or I can't remember them. I will spend a lot of time talking about themes and maybe not a lot of time talking about suits and power levels and whatnot. (But I do love that stuff! Especially the whatnot!) If you're looking for something that thoroughly recaps an episode, you're going to be disappointed. If you're looking for something that adds a lot of historical context or linguistic analysis, you're going to be disappointed. (Also, you are looking for Fish Sandwich's Kuuga thread.) If, however, you're looking for one person's emotional journey through Kamen Rider Hibiki... I mean, you'll be less disappointed, is my most confident claim. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT HIBIKI Doing the episode post is like a jumping-off point for me and an episode of Hibiki. It's more about creating space to get people talking about Hibiki: their thoughts, their feelings, their insights. I like getting to talk about what I got out of an episode of Kamen Rider, but I love hearing what you got out of an episode of Kamen Rider. If you feel like sharing, you've got my attention. I think that's the whole of it. Thanks for reading over this legally-enforceable set of terms! (Hat-tip to Kamen Rider Zolda for the consultation, which was slightly garbled by his laughter at probably someone else's expense.) Let's start watching Kamen Rider Hibiki!
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09-24-2020, 09:07 PM | #2 |
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 1 - "ECHOING ONI"
"I was gonna write a song for you Gonna sing it out loud Gonna sing it at such decibels that All you'll hear is sound and All you'll feel is sound and All you'll be is sound" -Sylvan Esso, "Sound" What a lovely first episode. It's that opening, isn't it? So joyful. So broad and full and rich. An opening that tells you that this is a show that you're going to feel. Writing about music... it's not really my skill-set. (I have terrible taste in music, as you'll be seeing from the song lyrics that start each episode post.) So much of talking about music is talking about how so many small choices made you feel something, how there's a primal connection you felt to the song. Quoting lyrics, sharing guitar tabs, it's not really the song, you know? It's deeper than that. Something like this episode, and maybe even this series, it feels like there's less to say about the plot and dialogue, and maybe more to say about how it felt to live in this world for twenty-odd minutes. And, man, felt pretty good! Hibiki's a great lead. More at the periphery of this one, but so fascinating and weird that you know he's your Kamen Rider from the second Asumu hears him singing. He's got swagger. He has this easy confidence, this charming serenity. When he saves that kid from falling off of the boat, there's no hesitation or doubt. He just throws himself off after the kid, and puts him back on the deck with a ruffle of his hair. It's effortlessly cool, a moment of Did You See That heroism that's downplayed with a crisp salute and a song about dolphins. And, almost baffling in the amount of information that's thrown at the viewer, there's his phone call back to the temple, and the two sisters. (Kasumi and... ugh, I can't remember the other one's name. Hair Pick. That's what she wanted, right?) It's maybe 80% of the dialogue in the episode. It's whipsmart banter, less about the mechanics of what's happening/going to happen (something about disc animals?) and more about the camaraderie of these three characters, how Hibiki is a point man that takes direction. They don't really share a scene together (it's him on a pay phone and them at the temple), but it's edited to be quick and clever. Just delightful, seeing them be so goofy. The whole episode's pretty goofy, if I'm being honest. The end is... a separate paragraph, but everything up to it is just nature, sounds, emotions. Broad, you know? Everything feels amplified. It's boisterous, in a way that I don't think I've ever seen a Kamen Rider reach for in a first episode. Asumu is a boy with a dream, Hibiki is a charming man of mystery, Asumu's cousin is a partner-in-crime... it's just fun to see them running around, enjoying life. Even the ending, it's not so serious? There's a fight against the two Oni (?), who are of course spiders because Kamen Rider Premiere, but it never really feels too dark, too deadly. The action is all swinging and speed, with Hibiki and Black Spider dueling among the treetops. It's tough to get much of a read on it, but it has more of an acrobatic feeling, less of a monstrous terror. The fight isn't really the point, I guess. Hibiki disentangles himself from a trap using a disc animal, and then GROWS A MOUTH TO SPIT PURPLE FLAMES AT BLACK SPIDER (!!!), but it's such a disorienting fight that it never feels too perilous. (Some weird-ass visual choices in that first fight sequence. First, no Henshin? I'll allow it, since much of the fight is about Asumu's perspective, but, man, a little bit of a bummer. Second, what was up with all of the TikTok filter-esque flares of light coming off of Hibiki's suit? It wasn't just one or two little glints, he was 95% washed out by it. I get that they maybe wanted it to be obscured, for mystery's sake, but this was like staring into the sun. Was maybe not the way to show off the suit for the first time!) But, hey, how did it all feel, watching this first episode of Hibiki? It felt so good to watch. The episode's constructed out of rhythm, out of silence, out of tense percussion and uplifting woodwinds. It's dialogue that's reduced to accompaniment, so all you can focus on is the joy of Asumu biking to school, the staccato sneezes of a ferry ride, the sing-song lullaby of the Oni, the cacophony of family fading out to nothing, the portent of drums, the chase of hammers hitting blocks of wood, the warmth of that closing song over the credits. It's all sound, in my memories. This episode was a song that I loved listening to. I'm excited for the rest of the album.
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09-24-2020, 09:10 PM | #3 |
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Probably won't be keeping up with this one too much since I wanna rewatch Hibiki at a later date, but I hope you and Switchblade have fun!
(Also yes, go watch Legend Heroes with GrandComplete, it's fun!)
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But enough about me lets talk about Hibiki 1st episode. And it is a strong premire imo. With lots of fliar and style into it. While also grabbing you with it's down to earth characters. I love we didn't get to see the Henshin that how low-key this show is. Also possible unpopular opinion I love the flare effect because it reminds me of how shiny the Hibiki suit is. I suppose the last thing I want to go over is the shows philosophy(or at least for the first half) which is 'Stable heroes in an unstable world' and nowhere does this is best examplifes then the phone call between Hibiki and the sister as on paper it just exposition dump. But through quick editing and small banter you get the sense of camaraderie between them. We still don't know much of the world but it grounded with Hibiki low-key nature torwards the supernatural and Asumu relatable awkwardness.
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Hibiki has such a good introductory episode. It immediately establishes a unique tone and style, there really isn't any other Rider show like it. It's a very special show.
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It felt so good to watch. The episode’s constructed out of rhythm, out of silence, out of tense percussion and uplifting woodwinds. It’s dialogue that’s reduced to accompaniment, so all you can focus on is the joy of Asumu biking to school, the staccato sneezes of a ferry ride, the sing-song lullaby of the Oni, the cacophony of family fading out to nothing, the portent of drums, the chase of hammers hitting blocks of wood, the warmth of that closing song over the credits.
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But enough about me lets talk about Hibiki 1st episode. And it is a strong premire imo. With lots of fliar and style into it. While also grabbing you with it's down to earth characters. I love we didn't get to see the Henshin that how low-key this show is. Also possible unpopular opinion I love the flare effect because it reminds me of how shiny the Hibiki suit is. I suppose the last thing I want to go over is the shows philosophy(or at least for the first half) which is 'Stable heroes in an unstable world' and nowhere does this is best examplifes then the phone call between Hibiki and the sister as on paper it just exposition dump. But through quick editing and small banter you get the sense of camaraderie between them. We still don't know much of the world but it grounded with Hibiki low-key nature torwards the supernatural and Asumu relatable awkwardness.
But there's that phone call scene with Hibiki, which is 100% a scene that says Hibiki Is The Star Of This Show About A Masked Superhero, so... I'm not sure that scene gives them the latitude to keep the first Henshin offscreen? I don't know. It's a hard one for me to defend. The rest of it though, yeah, it's just a really well-done first episode. I'm not sure much of the thematic work has come through for me yet (it's a first episode that has too much stylistic work to do to get onto themes in a major way), but it's very cool to watch. Quote:
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This describes exactly what I like most about Hibiki. While it does have great characters and themes, the biggest appeal to me was always the feel of the show. The look of it, the sound of it, the whole aesthetic sets such a calm and relaxing atmosphere. There are few other shows I've watched that have been more welcome after a long, difficult day. Hibiki just always made me feel so comfortable and at ease.
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09-24-2020, 10:54 PM | #7 |
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What a lovely first episode.
It’s that opening, isn’t it? So joyful. So broad and full and rich. An opening that tells you that this is a show that you’re going to feel. Writing about music… it’s not really my skill-set. (I have terrible taste in music, as you’ll be seeing from the song lyrics that start each episode post.) So much of talking about music is talking about how so many small choices made you feel something, how there’s a primal connection you felt to the song. Quoting lyrics, sharing guitar tabs, it’s not really the song, you know? It’s deeper than that. Something like this episode, and maybe even this series, it feels like there’s less to say about the plot and dialogue, and maybe more to say about how it felt to live in this world for twenty-odd minutes. And, man, felt pretty good! Quote:
Hibiki’s a great lead. More at the periphery of this one, but so fascinating and weird that you know he’s your Kamen Rider from the second Asumu hears him singing. He’s got swagger. He has this easy confidence, this charming serenity. When he saves that kid from falling off of the boat, there’s no hesitation or doubt. He just throws himself off after the kid, and puts him back on the deck with a ruffle of his hair. It’s effortlessly cool, a moment of Did You See That heroism that’s downplayed with a crisp salute and a song about dolphins.
And, almost baffling in the amount of information that’s thrown at the viewer, there’s his phone call back to the temple, and the two sisters. (Kasumi and… ugh, I can’t remember the other one's name. Hair Pick. That’s what she wanted, right?) It’s maybe 80% of the dialogue in the episode. It’s whipsmart banter, less about the mechanics of what’s happening/going to happen (something about disc animals?) and more about the camaraderie of these three characters, how Hibiki is a point man that takes direction. They don’t really share a scene together (it’s him on a pay phone and them at the temple), but it’s edited to be quick and clever. Just delightful, seeing them be so goofy. The whole episode’s pretty goofy, if I’m being honest. The end is… a separate paragraph, but everything up to it is just nature, sounds, emotions. Broad, you know? Everything feels amplified. It’s boisterous, in a way that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Kamen Rider reach for in a first episode. Asumu is a boy with a dream, Hibiki is a charming man of mystery, Asumu’s cousin is a partner-in-crime… it’s just fun to see them running around, enjoying life. Speaking of cast, though, one bummer to point out. The younger sister, Hinaka (aka Hair Pin), was played by an actress named Miyuki Kanbe. Sadly, she passed away from sudden heart failure just a few years after the show ended. It's a real tragedy, especially given how full of life she was on this show. Quote:
Even the ending, it’s not so serious? There’s a fight against the two Oni (?), who are of course spiders because Kamen Rider Premiere, but it never really feels too dark, too deadly. The action is all swinging and speed, with Hibiki and Black Spider dueling among the treetops. It’s tough to get much of a read on it, but it has more of an acrobatic feeling, less of a monstrous terror. The fight isn’t really the point, I guess. Hibiki disentangles himself from a trap using a disc animal, and then GROWS A MOUTH TO SPIT PURPLE FLAMES AT BLACK SPIDER (!!!), but it’s such a disorienting fight that it never feels too perilous.
(Some weird-ass visual choices in that first fight sequence. First, no Henshin? I’ll allow it, since much of the fight is about Asumu’s perspective, but, man, a little bit of a bummer. Second, what was up with all of the TikTok filter-esque flares of light coming off of Hibiki’s suit? It wasn’t just one or two little glints, he was 95% washed out by it. I get that they maybe wanted it to be obscured, for mystery's sake, but this was like staring into the sun. Was maybe not the way to show off the suit for the first time!) Hibiki himself is the Oni. That's the term this show uses for its Kamen Riders. A bit of background is probably worth discussing here, as well. There's a popular rumor that Hibiki wasn't supposed to be a Kamen Rider series. This is kind of true, but mostly false. The show was originally conceived of as a modern reboot of a 70s tokusatsu called Henshin Ninja Arashi. Someone at Toei liked what they saw, though, and basically said "Hey, we should make this the next Kamen Rider show!" In hindsight, this may have been a mistake. The monsters are the Douji (male) and Hime (female). The latter is the other piece of sad news as her actress, Sei Ashina, died from probable suicide earlier this month. Quote:
But, hey, how did it all feel, watching this first episode of Hibiki?
It felt so good to watch. The episode’s constructed out of rhythm, out of silence, out of tense percussion and uplifting woodwinds. It’s dialogue that’s reduced to accompaniment, so all you can focus on is the joy of Asumu biking to school, the staccato sneezes of a ferry ride, the sing-song lullaby of the Oni, the cacophony of family fading out to nothing, the portent of drums, the chase of hammers hitting blocks of wood, the warmth of that closing song over the credits. It’s all sound, in my memories. This episode was a song that I loved listening to. I’m excited for the rest of the album. And now for the thing that I tell everyone when they start watching Hibiki: This show is fantastic. Don't finish it. The show's production is famously troubled. I'll avoid any plot details, but ratings weren't great and the show went well over budget due to a lot of location filming and CGI. The show was a pet project of its producer, Shigenori Takatera, who refused to make any changes when Toei demanded some budget trimming. Maybe if the toy sales were really good they could counteract the low ratings and high costs, but they weren't. Takatera and the show's writers were sacked after episode 29 and replaced with a new creative staff including our old pal Toshiki Inoue. The show changes a lot at that point, much more closely resembling a normal Kamen Rider series. It's not objectively terrible, but it loses a lot of its unique character (it turned out to be a big PR disaster for Toei, too, as some of the cast publicly complained about the change). I know you work in comics, so think about it like this: Hibiki is Grant Morrison's X-Men run. It's weird and unconventional, it does a lot of things very differently, and it had a real "love it or hate it" reputation. Now imagine that Morrison's sales weren't great and Marvel fired him about 2/3s of the way into the run and replaces him with Scott Lobdell.* Lobdell's a fine writer and has a solid history with the brand, but this isn't Lobdell getting any actual control, this is just him keeping the lights on until the next creative team is ready. So no more Scott and Emma, no Xorn reveal, no Fantomex; just a bunch of issues of the X-Men fighting the Acolytes of Magneto or something until Joss Whedon's schedule freed up. It wouldn't be bad, per say, but it would be a massive step down from what we got. That's basically what happened with Hibiki: the wonderful and unique show got replaced with something on par with filler episodes of Blade or Ryuki. I really recommend stopping after episode 29. It's not a series finale, but it's a decent enough stopping point that won't leave a bad taste in your mouth. That said, I know you'll ignore this like everyone else but Matrixbeast. I still need to try, though. *I know that they would've just used Chuck Austen in real life, but I'm not going to compare Inoue to Chuck Austen. That would just be mean. Last edited by Switchblade; 09-24-2020 at 10:56 PM.. |
09-24-2020, 11:08 PM | #8 |
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Hibiki's suit is painted in a unique paint branded Maziora and it is basically a two-toned/polarized chromaflair paint. For Hibiki it is purple with a blue tint so depending on the lighting the suit color can have a bluish tint at times. The monsters of the show are categorized as makamous(pronounced mah-kah-mo), riders are oni.
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If there's one word to describe Hibiki, it's refreshing. It's just a breath of fresh air. It's unique and creative, fun, and laid back. It's not aiming for the melodrama you'd see in Faiz or the hyper intense stakes of Blade. It's just a refreshing take on Kamen Rider, with an interesting coming of age story intermixed into it.
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So I may have mentioned this before, but Hibiki is my favorite Rider series. In fact, it goes beyond that and is one of my favorite TV series in general. It is like comfort food for me; if I've had a bad day I can pop on an episode of Hibiki and just feel happy. It is a world and a set of characters that I just delight in revisiting (this will be my fourth time through). There's just this great cozy vibe to it that I love.
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Again, I love this show's characters. Hibiki and Asumu are very much at the heart of it and they're both very well-realized and believable. I can't say that every character is fully three-dimensional, but the cast is great and the interpersonal dynamics are one of the show's greatest delights.
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Speaking of cast, though, one bummer to point out. The younger sister, Hinaka (aka Hair Pin), was played by an actress named Miyuki Kanbe. Sadly, she passed away from sudden heart failure just a few years after the show ended. It's a real tragedy, especially given how full of life she was on this show.
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I am so glad to read this. Hibiki is one of those shows that can definitely be an acquired taste. I've seen a lot of people who watched the opening music scene and noped out right away. It's a very cool and unique show that is both strange and wonderful at the same time.
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And now for the thing that I tell everyone when they start watching Hibiki:
This show is fantastic. Don't finish it. The show's production is famously troubled. I'll avoid any plot details, but ratings weren't great and the show went well over budget due to a lot of location filming and CGI. The show was a pet project of its producer, Shigenori Takatera, who refused to make any changes when Toei demanded some budget trimming. Maybe if the toy sales were really good they could counteract the low ratings and high costs, but they weren't. Takatera and the show's writers were sacked after episode 29 and replaced with a new creative staff including our old pal Toshiki Inoue. The show changes a lot at that point, much more closely resembling a normal Kamen Rider series. It's not objectively terrible, but it loses a lot of its unique character (it turned out to be a big PR disaster for Toei, too, as some of the cast publicly complained about the change). I know you work in comics, so think about it like this: Hibiki is Grant Morrison's X-Men run. It's weird and unconventional, it does a lot of things very differently, and it had a real "love it or hate it" reputation. Now imagine that Morrison's sales weren't great and Marvel fired him about 2/3s of the way into the run and replaces him with Scott Lobdell.* Lobdell's a fine writer and has a solid history with the brand, but this isn't Lobdell getting any actual control, this is just him keeping the lights on until the next creative team is ready. So no more Scott and Emma, no Xorn reveal, no Fantomex; just a bunch of issues of the X-Men fighting the Acolytes of Magneto or something until Joss Whedon's schedule freed up. It wouldn't be bad, per say, but it would be a massive step down from what we got. That's basically what happened with Hibiki: the wonderful and unique show got replaced with something on par with filler episodes of Blade or Ryuki. I really recommend stopping after episode 29. It's not a series finale, but it's a decent enough stopping point that won't leave a bad taste in your mouth. That said, I know you'll ignore this like everyone else but Matrixbeast. I still need to try, though. *I know that they would've just used Chuck Austen in real life, but I'm not going to compare Inoue to Chuck Austen. That would just be mean. What I'll probably end up doing is a Series Wrap-Up post at 29, and another at 48. Basically treat them like two separate series. With all of the controversy and animosity the production switchover created, I wouldn't feel super great about trying to assess this as one series that's trying to say one thing. I'm okay looking at it as a run, followed by another run. Like, to make a comics analogy, creative teams come and go. I've read a hundred different people tell stories about The Batman Of Gotham City. I don't think, no matter how much I dislike a specific take, that I could be done with the character. I may not like it as much, but I hope that there's something in it I'll appreciate. Seeing different people try to say something with a character, I honestly don't have a problem with that. I know it's not necessarily the done thing in tokusatsu, but from my corner of the world it's business as usual. (And, like, I'm specifically talking about corporate superhero product, like Kamen Rider is. Characters like Batman and Hibiki... it's not ever just one person's vision. There're people above the writer who have to approve it and shape it, and there're people below the writer who have to interpret and execute it. There are pieces of art in this world that are one person's vision, but superhero comics and TV shows ain't one, for me at least.) I don't... I'm not a fan of potentially missing out on art. I like being able to experience it, even if it's not an all-time great. Like, people had some pretty harsh things to say about Faiz, and I love that show. If I'd listened to the folks who got heated about that show, I'd've missed out on something that I ended up caring deeply about. I don't know. I'm honestly thrilled to find out why the show's change is so devastating to you. I want to see why the show was so treasured, and what change could make you feel so betrayed.
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