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06-29-2020, 10:41 AM | #951 |
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It means you've only watched 3 Rider series then?
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06-29-2020, 11:15 AM | #952 |
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I mean, I've also seen every series starting with Wizard, but I watched those live. It's a different experience.
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06-29-2020, 11:50 AM | #953 |
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another couple days of 555 stuff: series overview, the movie, miscellany Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Blade Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Hibiki Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kabuto Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Den-O Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kiva Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Decade Kamen Rider Die rewatches Legend Rider movies Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zero-One Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Saber ...and then maybe some non-Rider stuff. A Sentai, probably, to start. I don't know! There's so much Rider to go! Nine series! A stack of movies! Quote:
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Takumi and Kiba's final showdown. Even though Ryuki was the show all about riders fighting one another, I can't help but feel it's Faiz's final episode that we have to thank for things like Gaim vs Baron. I super didn't like Yuuji's turn in the last few episodes either, but in this episode, I was able to come around just enough to enjoy the climax of it. It really is all thanks to that conversation he and Takumi have, facing each other off just before transforming. Yuuji asks once again, a little angry, sad and incredulous all at once at why Takumi is so insistent on protecting humanity. You could read that as either him being frustrated that Takumi won't listen, or maybe him being sad that this person he considers a friend just doesn't understand the world like he thinks he does. I lean towards the more compelling and emotional interpretation of course.
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It's so great, that when I look back on this episode from now on, I will only think about this climax between the two main characters! ...I kinda have to, of course, because what the heck even happened afterwards? The show certainly doesn't say so.
Remember how the Orphnoch King was going to like, kill all humans, but if stopped then all Orphnochs would die? Well of course you remember because that's been the big dramatic point the show has been driving in for the last few episodes. And then that just. Doesn't happen. Like, they didn't find a solution, they didn't even overcome it with the power of friendship or anything. The plot just stops existing. There is no rationalisation I can come up with, even as a personal handwave, for how Takumi's last Rider Kick leads to any of the scenes that comes afterwards. That said, I think the epilogue feels pretty sensible? The implication to me was that, if defeated, Orphnochs would just have their clocks run out, which is going to happen for everyone but Kageyama. She got boosted by the King, but everyone else is just going to slowly die off. As for defeating the Orphnoch King... the belts were established as being able to do that? There's a thing where Orphan Daddy tells someone (Yuuji? Kusaka?) that since the belts were designed to protect the King, they can also destroy him. A Rider Kick from Faiz's most powerful form seems like an acceptable solution to the Orphnoch King? And, yeah, there's no big plan to defeat the Orphnoch King, but to quote The Way of the Gun, "I don't think this is a brains type of operation." Takumi just showing up and hoping he could beat a Metaphor Monster in a fight... that feels like a Faiz finale to me. Quote:
I remember the plane analogy you said, and thinking it was funny how you mentioned that the plane has to land. Because when it comes to Faiz's plot... It doesn't just not land, it is simply never to be seen again. I'm pretty sure Faiz's last episode left a lot of people feeling sour, confused or hollow precisely because those last scenes are so weird that they forget everything that happened before it.
But! After many years of stewing on it on and off, and thanks to some insight from both others who have watched this show and to this very thread, I am much more willing to just brush all that aside and focus on how much I appreciated the Takumi and Kiba aspect of the last episode. I mean, it's objectively a bad thing that all the story stuff in the last five episodes or so can be so easily brushed off, but that it's an option also speaks to the strength of the characters, I think!? Quote:
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So, because your complaint is about how Yuji becomes Murakami clone, what's the part of the old Yuji in the fight, other than him sacrificing himself for Orphnoch King of course. Was it him being more insane in this fight up to him throwing tantrums at the end of the fight? And you think the one that isn't received well by people was Yuji's re-turn? No you're wrong. I never hear people complaining about Yuji's turning back (but Yuji turning evil, sure I have) And I want to bring up the previous topic of "There’s wanting to see the best in people, and then there’s being reckless with your sympathy", what if Yuji didn't redeem after Takumi spared him? What if it bites back in Takumi's ass?
If it bites Takumi in the ass, it bites him in the ass. Part of acceptance is allowing people to make mistakes, to fail. But that wouldn't be a reflection on Takumi's mercy, that'd be a reflection on Yuuji's failings. Quote:
And you say this is the reason why he's a hero, I do hate people who see this trait of sparing those as a weakness (because they think like that, they can continue doing their evil things and probably even bites the hero back in the ass, that it's better to just mercilessly kill him than gambling if he's redeemed or not... "the end justifaiz the means!"), but I want to hear more about this stance of a protagonist (preferably defending it!), is the benefit (like Yuji here) worth the gambling risk?
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And this is the part of the ending that people criticize, that Orphnoch King is still alive, practically leaving the series with no ending, or just because the ending is practically a downer type, where the heavy amount of awful things more likely (I said, likely, not the checking in currently shown) to happen to the characters than good (Assuming that they haven't died yet), probably because Orphnoch King is still alive.
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And also, for the gag of the Team Faiz infiltrating Smart Brain, what possesses Keitaro to go along with the morally ambiguous plan? It was an idea that comes from characters like Mari (stealing from Yuji) or Kaido (aiding Lucky Clover, possibly violates polices) who are plausible to do that, but why Keitaro agrees to do a quite reviled thing?
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Worth mentioning is that the originally intended to follow on from the final episode by including a short scene where Takumi meets the new guy, Kazuma Kenzaki, gives him a red-coloured baton and then both do their henshin poses. But for whatever reason, it was never released and we only know about it due to magazine pictures posted years after the fact. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20181217161532
They did try reviving the idea of a meeting between the two as a short story, but for whatever reason, it was never released and we only know about it due to Blade’s DVD commentary. But the idea of a handoff between heroes wasn’t thrown out entirely. The other fellows adopted it as a yearly tradition. https://youtu.be/3P7_9rFd5Bc Quote:
Hey remember two months or so ago when I posted "Look forwards to a series-long trip into the Inoue Zone?" I'm so glad you did. You've not quite convinced me to go watch Faz ("Misunderstandings" is not a thread I enjoy, shame to say), but someone finding a new series to love? That's pretty neat.
Now I just need to finish these 6 episodes of Blade before you finish the entire show, and I'm set to actually *involve* myself in discussions next time! Quote:
I love the climactic 3-part showdown between Takumi and Kiba and how it escalates in to them using their final forms against each other. Kiba seriously loses his cool when Takumi spares his life due to considering him a human. He goes hysterical, infuriated by Takumi's insistence on protecting humanity even when Kiba rejects that part of him. It's like an insult to him, to be defeated in battle and denied death for being likened to what he thinks is an irredeemable and inferior species. Takumi's mercy is heroic though and shows that he's willing to forgive Kiba and wants him to restore his faith in humanity.
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Kaido said Henshin as early as Episode 7. Anyway, I want to talk about some foreshadowing here regarding Team Orphenoch. What was the first origami Sawada burned? A crane. Yuka died first. He burned a horse in front of Kiba, who died second. He never burned a snake though. Kaido lived and he deserved to since he was the only one who never killed anyone.
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This brings me back to what I said about where we want a show to take our favorite characters from the start to the end of their arcs. Team Faiz endured much suffering as they fought relentlessly to protect the happiness of others and they deserve to be happy themselves now that love and peace is restored. Whether Takumi lives for the next ten minutes or ten years as you phrased it, he lives without regrets or worries, knowing that he made his life mean something and found acceptance with his new friends, Mari and Keitarou. It's an emotional bittersweet ending that I definitely appreciated.
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06-29-2020, 12:04 PM | #954 |
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I just want to co-sign what Die said about misunderstandings, I feel like someone wrote that once and people just took it and ran with it. I don't think "a show about misunderstandings" describes Faiz with any sort of accuracy. I think a more accurate thing would be to say Faiz is a show about misunderstood people, and there's a massive difference.
I didn't post a ton on this thread because I mostly agreed with Die's take on things, but I have a feeling I'll post on the Blade thread a bit more often. Blade is a good show, but man do I have some issues with it. |
06-29-2020, 12:10 PM | #955 |
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I just want to co-sign what Die said about misunderstandings, I feel like someone wrote that once and people just took it and ran with it. I don't think "a show about misunderstandings" describes Faiz with any sort of accuracy. I think a more accurate thing would be to say Faiz is a show about misunderstood people, and there's a massive difference.
But, yeah, it's not really a "misunderstandings" show that's about contrivance, I thought. Looking forward to it!... ?
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06-29-2020, 12:22 PM | #956 |
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Yeah, this is something I'll touch on later tonight in a series overview. This is a story that hinges on people not feeling accepted, or not believing they can be accepted, and that's going to lead to folks parcelling out information another show would instantly communicate, or it's going to lead to a baseline of I Don't Know If I Should Trust You. And, like, if that sort-of character interaction isn't your thing? Sure. There are shows where the camaraderie is more free-flowing, or the animosity is more sparing. That ain't this show, though! This is a show about people learning to see themselves in others over 50 episodes, and that's a process.
But, yeah, it's not really a "misunderstandings" show that's about contrivance, I thought.
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06-29-2020, 12:27 PM | #957 |
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Hmmm this is making me think about Ex-aid (mostly cause I like Ex-aid and it's also partially about miscommunication, and hurt people trying to recover) Mind you everyone in Ex-aid does kind of speak their feelings so like there's very little parallels... I think. Someone who's watch both shows help me out please?
For the Ex-Aid comparison... I'm not sure? I think it's more that both shows focus on a form of cooperation. In Faiz, it's about how people with diverse backgrounds and goals can coexist, find out that they've got more similarities than differences, discover that their differences don't need to separate them. In Ex-Aid, it's about how only by recognizing each other's strengths, instead of focusing on their weaknesses, that we can all succeed. Does that make sense?
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06-29-2020, 12:31 PM | #958 |
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I mean, up front, there's going to be miscommunications and misunderstandings in almost every single Kamen Rider show. There's a bit of soap opera in the Kamen Rider formula, and soap opera means misunderstandings and miscommunication. Part of the deal.
For the Ex-Aid comparison... I'm not sure? I think it's more that both shows focus on a form of cooperation. In Faiz, it's about how people with diverse backgrounds and goals can coexist, find out that they've got more similarities than differences, discover that their differences don't need to separate them. In Ex-Aid, it's about how only by recognizing each other's strengths, instead of focusing on their weaknesses, that we can all succeed. Does that make sense?
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06-29-2020, 01:07 PM | #959 |
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I'm using "Misunderstandings" to mean "They misunderstand that Kusaka wasn't the hero of the Ryuseii school X-Men all along", obviously.
And if you think I have any deep opinions on Blade other than "hehe Chalice suit look good", you are deeply mistaken.
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