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07-15-2014, 01:51 PM | #11161 |
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Aye. It just feels so..risk-free. I mean, yeah we've actually had characters introduced get killed off pretty quickly, but as far as the main cast goes I never have to worry that something might happen to them. Also, the lack of buildup to any kind of upgrade form or secondary rider not being there, while I don't necessarily feel that every show needs them, I think I can see why more modern seasons do go that route. I'm not expecting a ton so early into the show though, and I am enjoying it at the very least, just not gonna be one of those seasons I look back on and want to watch start to finish over the course of a weekend again.
Black just feels a bit formulaic. Gorgom comes up with plot, Kotaro finds out that they are behind it, Kotaro struggles against the MOTW, then finds a way to stop the MOTW, rinse and repeat. It is very good at doing that sort of thing, and in no way does it get redundant as far as reusing the same plot, but there hasn't been any real game changer. Birugenia I guess you could say does that for Black, but he's been mostly observing the priests continuously fail while taking a less active role in doing things. It just doesn't leave much reason for me to marathon it, but I guess the intention is so that anybody new to the show can jump into any episode and not be confused at just what is going on.
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07-15-2014, 05:39 PM | #11162 |
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And this is one of the few times we really don't see eye to eye on something. I loved Faiz, for reasons I've already stated. It was certainly no Ryuki or Hibiki, but it was a very solid show with fantastic action, a fairly likable cast, and enough going for it that I could forgive it's story issues. As I said, it really does remind me a lot of Wizard's issues, and I liked Wizard too.
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07-15-2014, 05:53 PM | #11163 |
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No it didn't. Wizard had Shunpei. And as much as I did not care for Keitaro in 555, he was a likable character. Shunpei was just annoying with no redeemable features except for the one time he dressed like a girl. Shunpei made a better girl than he did a guy.
Wizard did not have any variation in its structure. You could predict how every episode was going to go down after the first several. 555 kept changing things up, even if they did not always work. Nevertheless, there was a variation of dynamics going on. Oh, and Mari actually did stuff compared to "I'm going to quietly sit in the background for the next 25 episodes" Kiyomi. Kiyomi had maybe about 5 episodes worth of development whereas Mari had about 20. |
07-15-2014, 06:07 PM | #11164 |
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No it didn't. Wizard had Shunpei. And as much as I did not care for Keitaro in 555, he was a likable character. Shunpei was just annoying with no redeemable features except for the one time he dressed like a girl. Shunpei made a better girl than he did a guy.
Wizard did not have any variation in its structure. You could predict how every episode was going to go down after the first several. 555 kept changing things up, even if they did not always work. Nevertheless, there was a variation of dynamics going on. Oh, and Mari actually did stuff compared to "I'm going to quietly sit in the background for the next 25 episodes" Kiyomi. Kiyomi had maybe about 5 episodes worth of development whereas Mari had about 20. Faiz didn't change shit, episodes would always go nowhere, every development would be forgotten by the next episode and characters would go through the same arcs over and over again. Wizard was heavily structured and perhaps focused on the wrong things but Faiz just went in circles.
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07-15-2014, 06:11 PM | #11165 |
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No it didn't. Wizard had Shunpei. And as much as I did not care for Keitaro in 555, he was a likable character. Shunpei was just annoying with no redeemable features except for the one time he dressed like a girl. Shunpei made a better girl than he did a guy.
Wizard did not have any variation in its structure. You could predict how every episode was going to go down after the first several. 555 kept changing things up, even if they did not always work. Nevertheless, there was a variation of dynamics going on. Oh, and Mari actually did stuff compared to "I'm going to quietly sit in the background for the next 25 episodes" Kiyomi. Kiyomi had maybe about 5 episodes worth of development whereas Mari had about 20. Faiz had one character that was genuinely unlikable IMO, plus one character that was a bit of a waste. Wizard had a few characters I liked and a few that were just...well not really characters, Kiyomi in particular stands out, even worse because she ended up being the biggest part of the plot. Wouldn't have thunk it for as little as she was a presence. And as Kain said, Faiz tries different things throughout its episodes, Wizard, again a series I did enjoy, was more or less the same exact formula every single episode. And I really don't see how you can say the characters in Faiz had no growth or development or weren't even likable. They are some of the best developed characters in the franchise and the interpersonal relationships and drama add some incredible tension.
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07-15-2014, 06:27 PM | #11166 |
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Personally, I prefer Wizard by far over Faiz. Not only did I like the show much more design-wise, but I also thougt the characters were... more likeable. Not necessarily better developed, but I could warm up with most of them far easier than with those in Faiz.
Takumi just was being an idiot most of the time (which is a pity, because the actor seems like a nice person). Then we had Yuji, who was sorta interesting throughout the majority and just went totally nuts (in a negative sense) at the end. Keitaro and Yuka were okay, but their stories didn't have a very good build-up, so they barely left any impact on me. Kaido was somewhat annoying most of the time while I just generally disliked Mari, mostly for being boring and overly naive.(Already couldn't warm up with the actress in Kiva, because I hated Mio.) The villains were all characters I never cared for anyway, same goes for Mihara. I also heavily disliked how the characters dealt with friendship. I mean, Takumi believes Kusaka, the guy who tried to make everyone think bad of him, more than his friend, Yuji? And Yuji, who knows that Faiz can also be used by other Orphenochs, just assumes that Takumi attacked him, despite them making up before? Yeah sure. Great friends they are. My problem with Faiz wasn't about being "dark", it was more about missing a story I cared for, like in one that was told enjoyable. I mean, if people can enjoy Faiz, wow, great for you. But I pretty much spend this show waiting for the end, because I couldn't stand it anymore. I always try and give every show a chance until the end, but Faiz never used that chance- at least not for me. |
07-15-2014, 07:06 PM | #11167 |
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You have to realize that he said he never finished Faiz...
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07-15-2014, 07:09 PM | #11168 |
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Watched thirty eight episodes though, so if the show suddenly decides to start developing the characters in the final ten it's still shit. That is why I gave up in the end, nothing that had happened in those episodes had stuck yet and I realised all I was doing was wasting my time as the show lead me in constant infuriating circles.
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07-15-2014, 07:14 PM | #11169 |
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Quite a few things I found frustrating about Faiz.
- As the poster above me put, Kusaka is the most blatantly deceptive and manipulative character I've ever seen in a Rider series. Yeah, sure, so is Micchy, but Micchy was way better at hiding his manipulative nature. The fact that, after a certain point, characters STILL trust his words, especially Takumi, was annoying. - Yuuji's fall was rushed at the end for me. It's like they didn't know where they wanted to take him until the final 6 or 7 episodes. - Mihara was completely useless and there were about 50 million different characters that could have been Delta instead and would have made a larger impact on the story. Even Keitaro's goofy ass would have made for a more satisfying Delta than who we got. - Faiz has no ending. - Yuka and Keitaro's 'romance'. Not so much that it exists, I think it was quite nice, except for one problem....they don't figure out who the other is until about 40 episodes in. You mean to tell me not once when they interacted in person did they ever bother finding out each other's full name, which would have been a dead giveaway as to their identities? I still enjoyed Faiz, but it's probably one of the more flawed series I've watched.
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07-15-2014, 07:32 PM | #11170 |
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Watched thirty eight episodes though, so if the show suddenly decides to start developing the characters in the final ten it's still shit. That is why I gave up in the end, nothing that had happened in those episodes had stuck yet and I realised all I was doing was wasting my time as the show lead me in constant infuriating circles.
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